Can You Connect to God Without Religion?

Written by Karen Schenk

soulcravingsfindreligionIs there a difference between God and Religion? There is definitely a difference between God and religion.  God is someone I have a relationship with.  My view on God can be altered by many factors in my life.  It can be affected by my relationship with my own father or even by my culture and the people I spend time with.

I see religion is a set of beliefs that have guidelines for behavior associated with them.    There are many religions with many differing beliefs and rules.   I don’t  think God needs religion.  He wants to have a relationship with me.   It is so easy for me to get confused and think that my relationship with him has rules of engagement.    I love knowing that God cares about me and that my relationship with him does not need a lot of order and structure.  I want to participate in religion or church to celebrate his holiness, but it’s not a condition of knowing God.  Do you believe you can you connect to God without religion?

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909 Responses to “Can You Connect to God Without Religion?”

  • Sharon says:

    to Marota religion is religion and with God it is a relationship Christians have with HIM. it is sad if people leave God out of the equation. sharon

  • Its is true. There is is huge difference between God and religion. In my view God is not religious. The mistake man (humans) made was to from religion to God or to find God only to leave God behind. Its so sad.

  • Ron, You use the term ‘uncreated light’. Is it likely that this is what I termed the Creators energy and applicable to ‘life force’. In scriptures, there are two original spelling; both were interpreted as fire. One of these was fire and the other was energy. When used correctly, these scriptures make much more sense.

  • Ron Kazmierczak says:

    Aldo, its a pleasure speaking with you. I very much appreciate you taking the time to comment. Like it says in Proverbs, “Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed.”

    I was unable to click on that link. And because you took the time to discuss this with me, I will gladly read all of it.

    I’m not sure if you’ve ever heard of the Philokalia. It is the chronicle of the desert fathers over 1200 years. And I thought I was alone in this experience. The Byzantine empire existed on uncreated light. It in their are, politics, every aspect of life. Even in war this mysterious weapon called greek fire would light up the sky, earth, and water. They said that the discipline of seeking the uncreated light always works, everytime. No man could hold a political office without the light, and everyone can tell. This is where the halo came from, its a depiction of the light experience (there is a famous one called “the gate”)

    While its important to listen to what Christian leader tell you, in this case I am going to stop backing down. I am going to raise this standard. If this is real and you know yet don’t pursue it you may be held responsible for the tens of thousands of souls that you could have influenced with the uncreated light. You know what this will do to a church? End careers. Everyone will hear God by themselves from the least to the greatest. The knowledge of God will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea.

    Please forgive me for sounding aggressive in this matter. But I believe that if churches would endorse this ministry would surge till there was nothing for them to do. Abortion would be ended. America would have revival.

    Yet churches categorically resist this. There would be no need for bible school, you would know right from the source. No one would need a mediator they each connect to God on their own. Deception would be impossible. Knowing what I know after 35 years of this, you need to be real careful to be sure your right on this issue.

    I say try it. What if a demon tries to deceive you? Good luck with that, demon. The can deceive the mind but can’t get anywhere near this. Its absolutely poison to them.

    I am going to make this my life’s work. I will teach a class on it. I’ve helped several people have this experience, I’m actually quite good at it.

    After saying all that, I want to reiterate, I appreciate you and your opinion. Its very refreshing.

  • Aldo says:

    Ron, I know that you have been carrying on conversations with Jamie, and I agree with you that his blogs are awesome. I have somehow gotten your latest blog to answer, and I will do my best to reply to it.

    Some years ago when I was receiving a booklet called The Banner from Pinecrest Bible Training Center, now called Bethany Bible Training Center, I read an article in it by a student named Gabriel Hoffman that I believe alludes to what you have just said in your blog. You can read it at this website:

    If you cannot access it from this communication, go to the Bethany Bible Training Center website, click on About Us, then on The Door to God’s Heart.

    I am sure you will enjoy and appreciate the article.

  • Ron Kazmierczak says:

    Jamie, thank you for your awesome reply. I can tell your doctrine is sound and your reasoning is accurate. I attended an assemblies of God church for most of my life. The pastoral staff was highly respected and also taught the bible school I went to. I was save and filled with the Holy spirit, I went to youth with a mission as a missionary. And I witnessed miracles. They were a wonder and strengthened my faith. But I always knew there was something more.

    My pastor spoke about the Jesus movement revival as revealing Jesus, the Charismatic movement revealing the Holy Spirit, but there would be one last revival, a revelation of the Father. The more I knew about God the more intense was the longing to know Him. Then when a pastor gave me the book, “centering prayer” it showed me how to meditate. I would turn off my mind in submission to God, and long for Him with an unquenchable hunger to know Him and to be connected.

    For two months I prayed in my closet hour after hour. I would deal with my sin, then my reasons for seeking him, was this selfish. I reasoned that my finding God could only help everyone around me. I would not let go until He blessed me. I remember every detail when it happened. There is no way to explain this experience, but you absolutely know this is God.

    After 35 years of this constant presence I have fallen deeper and deeper in love with Jesus. You absolutely can not sin in this state, you can even contrive an evil thought. For me the sin is allowing myself to slip from that state, only then am I vulnerable. This is the place the Lord has brought me to, He asks of me one thing, stay in the presence and be watchful.

    Before this experience happened to me I would have said exactly what you did. You’ve studied to show yourself approved and have a good heart and good motivation. So having experienced this for many years and knowing it or the treasure that I feel it is, the wisest thing I can do is to pray that God shares this experience with you. Like Gamaliel reasoned in the book of acts, if this is of human origin it will fail but if its from God it can not be stopped.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Ron, I agree that our understanding of who God is needs to be held in an open hand, ready for His truth to change our misunderstandings or misplaced expectations. There are so many people convinced that they have the true understanding of who God is, and yet they contradict what someone else believes is true about God. It is logical then that either we can be deceived by ourselves or by an outside agent because contradictory beliefs cannot both be true. That fits my experience in life: I know that I have been misled by my own emotions and also by other people, so it does not surprise me to know that I can be wrong about my understandings of God.

    Now if God cares about us having an accurate understanding of who He is then we can expect that He would provide a way for us to know what that truth is. Since we humans can be misled by our own emotions and by outside agents, He would have to provide a way of communicating the truth so that it could not be corrupted by outside agents or by our unreliable feelings. In an earlier post you referred to an experience that some people have had that is sometimes called “Uncreated Light”. You described it as “The feeling of all pain leaving the body, absolute peace beyond any feeling they’ve known, feeling like you see the world from thousands of feet above and knowing that everything is perfect, electricity surging through your body, the sound of wind and thunder. Time feels like it stops, you know exactly who God is, and that empty space inside you has just found the part that fits perfectly.” How does one know that this experience was initiated by God? If there are malevolent spiritual beings whose nature is to deceive how could a person know that this was not a deception?

    I have some friends who have had experiences like you have described. They were invited into those experiences by a Spirit Guide who led them into all manner of supernatural experiences. After many years of such ecstatic experiences they were challenged to demand their Spirit Guide reveal their true identity and to their horror, discovered that this beautiful being who they had been trusting was actually a disguised evil spirit who had been deceiving them all along.

    It is my opinion that truth about God will be logically consistent, that it will be reflected in the reality we see around us, and will be fully grounded in an historical reality that can be confirmed. As I have explored many different worldviews, the one that always meets that criteria is the message of Jesus Christ. There is no other worldview that better explains where we have come from, what our purpose is, why we face struggle and heartache, and where our destiny lies. It is a message that is make sense from a logical point of view, it fits the human condition that we see, and is part of a verifiable history rather than just legend and myth.

    Does your worldview meet that criteria as well?

  • Ron Kazmierczak says:

    I personally think that knowing God without religion would mean that the world view that I’ve constructed throughout my life would have to give way to reality. If I believe that God’s name is Jehova but then I connect with Him and I’m told that I’m wrong then I must accept the reality of who He really is. If I believe something my whole life but am an honest truth seeker, then find the truth, I am then responsible for that truth. Its really not about us and our feelings, its about the God of truth and His standards.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi William, I am sorry if my questions were offensive. I am genuinely interested in better understanding your worldview. Admittedly, I find that the message of Jesus resonates best with me and I would need to be convinced that another worldview is a better explanation of God, the world, and humanity before I would be willing to accept another. That’s why I asked the questions; I am interested in better understanding your worldview. For me, a worldview needs to explain where we have come from, why we are here, and what our destiny is; and it needs to be logically consistent, and fit with what we observe around us. In trying to better understand your worldview I am trying to see how it fits these criteria. What was it about my questions that appeared to be pushing a religious agenda?

  • You folks tell me I have not communicated in a fashion that you like. I have been measured and reread all of my communications with you to be as precise I know how to be. If I write anything that does not completely, word for word, agree with your preconceived notions you pretend to be confused. I was hoping for an intelligent exchange on this site, but now I know it is only a scam to push your religious agenda. I forgive you, no problem.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Thanks William, I don’t think I understand your characterization of the Creator: you define ego as the opinion one has about himself, which to me sounds like self-awareness. Are you saying that the Creator is not self-aware, that He has no opinion of Himself?

    I am also a little confused on the idea that the Creator creates with no purpose. It would seem to me that the very act of creation implies purpose. Are you saying that the Creator has no purpose for Creation or that you are not aware of what that purpose is?

    And let me clarify your understanding of human essence: a human essence is created and at death remains an individual essence. I think initially I understood your description of human essence as an emanation from the Creator’s essence which then returns to be one with the Creator. But from your last post it would seem like the human essence remains a unique individual, is that correct?

  • Jamie, These are refreshing questions, I hope they are sincere. Not the Freudian Id, but ego, meaning the opinion that one has about himself. Human ego, desires and property are not something that the Creator has because he is not human. He is void of ownership and desire, these are human characteristics.

    The Creator is infinite power and energy, unlimited love, unconditional love, and endless creation. In his presence I felt extreme humility that brought me to my knees and then I was overwhelmed with powerful love and a feeling I was home He has no human characteristics or needs and no special purpose for human beings other than a host for an essence that needs to be purified. In the system of things, when a new human live is created an essence enters the human body.

    Under meditation I never witnessed birth. I have witnessed death; not my own. I was given the understanding that upon death every human essence is made totally aware of everything that transpired through its human life span. Every instance of the human life was viewed through the eyes of GOD. At the end of this period, some taking a very short time and others taking a very long time because it was always gentle and loving, the spirit would know its place in the afterlife and move on. I could not pass this step. I gained no knowledge as to any special purpose or ultimate goal for the human race. Given the emphasis on the essence, there doesn’t really seem to be one. I have so much more to learn.

    This I know for certain, I will spend the limited time I have left in preparing my essence for departure from this earth. I will practice at giving unconditional love and forgiveness for all of GOD’s creations. As a human I will fail, but tomorrow I will be a better person and essence than I am today.

  • Tom Tom says:

    William Goodenough–

    My apologies for mistaking your given name for a mere post name. I believe it was an honest mistake given the ongoing discussion and the somewhat uncommonness of it. Do you happen to know what the origin of your name is?

    Also, you were correct that you had already answered one of the questions. It’s a little confusing writing to two people at once.

    Jamie, who has joined the conversation, brings up some interesting thoughts. I’ll look forward to your response.

  • Tom Tom says:

    correction to Phil–
    “They’ve NEVER had a failure . . .” I.e. the parachutes.

  • Tom, You said “From what you have written and state to believe, I have great concern that you do not have a right relationship with God.” You have expressed no reasoning that would suggest I should care what your ‘holier than thou attitude’ is toward my relationship with GOD. You said “You admit that you cannot know what will happen when you die.” I told you exactly what happens when you die, I guess you chose to blank it out.

    You said “On what do you base any of what you believe? What’s your foundation?” My basis is years of studies and my personal, deep relationship with GOD. That is akin to your relationship with the bible and following a scriptures generated Jesus. During transcendental meditation GOD transmitted his reality; therefore, I don’t base my faith or ancient beliefs, I base it on learning and witnessed events. No, it was not the devil.

    You have changed ‘being one with the Creator (GOD)’ to a futile attempt to be good. You might try to understand the difference. Insults to my given name are not necessary. Respect for other people is part of the package.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Guys, I hope you don’t mind me stepping into your conversation. William I am interested in your description of the ultimate goal for humanity. Are you suggesting that human ego (are you using the Freudian definition of ego here or the more colloquial idea of self-centredness), desires and property are not something that the Creator has? If the Creator did indeed create then wouldn’t He (I am using the generic pronoun here) have ownership over what He created? Does the Creator desire that we transfer our essence back to Him? Doesn’t having a purpose require a desire to accomplish some end?

    I am also interested in the idea of ‘returning to the Creator’ or ‘transferring our essence back to the Creator’. Are you suggesting that we once already had our essence as part of the Creator? Were we individual essences or a part of the essence of the Creator? What happened that we became individual essences that needed to return?

  • Tom Tom says:

    I agree it doesn’t take a “religion” to understand. But it takes some sort of foundation on which to build one’s beliefs.

    For example, if what you believe it takes to be right with God (whoever you perceive God to be), contradicts what I believe it takes, then we can’t both be right. Either one is wrong or both are wrong. So is it not logical to ask why someone believes the way they do? And isn’t also logical to expect the person to have some evidence for what they believe? If not, then all is arbitrariness.

    If we’re on a falling airplane together, we’ll probably both want to live. I turn to you and say, ” Let’s put these parachutes on. My dad works in the factory that made them, and they’ve had a failure with them protecting the person who has to use one.” You respond, “Oh, no, I don’t believe in parachutes. I’ve come to believe that if I jump real high when I exit the plane and flap my arms really fast, I will not be hurt.” At this point, you have a contradiction. The question is, is one person right?

    So I pull out some FAA testing materials showing the validity of using the parachute, while you pull out some pretty pictures of butterflies and birds. I’m giving hard evidence while you are not.

    William Goodenough brings in one other aspect to my little scenario. Based on his last response, if the captain of the plane announced it was going to crash, he would be unafraid of any consequences–“I really don’t know what will happen when I hit the ground at 120 MPH”–so there is little concern for whoever is right, wrong, or indifferent.

    I don’t base my faith or beliefs on things I’ve seemingly discovered for myself over time. I do not base my faith on a religion. I base my faith and beliefs on the parachute guide-book, the Bible, which has great evidence for its validity and worthiness.

  • Tom Tom says:

    William Goodenough–

    From what you have written and state to believe, I have great concern that you do not have a right relationship with God, nor do you desire to get there other than through your own good works. You admit that you cannot know what will happen when you die.

    Because I have been born again spiritually through the Holy Spirit of God, and because I have a saving relationship with Jesus Christ, the only one through whom we can know God and be with him forever, my greatest desire in live is let others know about this.

    God does not like religion any more than you do, because it is man’s attempts to save themselves from sin. Once you have sinned against an infinitely Holy God, only an infinite, Holy Sacrifice will atone for those sins. You cannot do; Jesus could and did.

    You may immediately toss out all of this because you may see all of it as simply “religion.” In this case based on the Bible. The solid evidence is there. But that at least gives me a foundation from which to begin my spiritual journey. On what do you base any of what you believe? What’s your foundation?

    This is MY point of the conversation. If you’re not interested, so be it. Join all the billions of other who are diligently striving via their own attempts to be good. Your posting name reflects as much. Thanks for reading.

  • Sorry Phil, my last comment was for Tom.

  • Tom, This is a question every individual asks and the religious institutions try to answer. It is answered with spirit, holy ghost, several GODs (the devil), mysticism, and others imagining or searching scriptures to understand what the afterlife might be like. At the time of human death your essence is transferred back to the Creator. Void of human ego, desires and property; the ultimate goal is that your essence becomes one with your Creator. As we become closer to achieving this goal and return to the Creator at the end of our human life, the depth of the love, joy, and the feeling of wellbeing are so great that they are unimaginable as a human being. The lack of this relationship is not a punishment, but a absence of fulfillment; an absence of the glory of GOD.

    Tom, what is your intent for this discussion?

  • Sorry Phil, this last entry was for Tom.

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