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	<title>Comments on: Jesus&#8217; Resurrection: Fact or Fiction?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Horner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Joe - I actually agree with your main principle, as I understand it - that Christians should not overstate their case. As an apologist myself, I know that this this is a common temptation. However, in this particular case the author, Rusty Wright, whom I know, has actually not exaggerated the evidence. The &quot;TWO TON grave stone&quot; and the &quot;100 POUND grave cloth&quot; and the &quot;EXPERT executioner&quot; and the &quot;SPINELESS disciples&quot; are all accurate and essential components of the story. They all point to   difficulties with alternative theories to the resurrection hypothesis. Wright was not grandstanding or trying to seek approval. He was merely reporting accurately the evidence for the  resurrection of Jesus, something which I think Christ would approve of. You might be interested in my current blog post on the resurrection at p2c.com/michaelhorner. I would be interested in your comments on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joe &#8211; I actually agree with your main principle, as I understand it &#8211; that Christians should not overstate their case. As an apologist myself, I know that this this is a common temptation. However, in this particular case the author, Rusty Wright, whom I know, has actually not exaggerated the evidence. The &#8220;TWO TON grave stone&#8221; and the &#8220;100 POUND grave cloth&#8221; and the &#8220;EXPERT executioner&#8221; and the &#8220;SPINELESS disciples&#8221; are all accurate and essential components of the story. They all point to   difficulties with alternative theories to the resurrection hypothesis. Wright was not grandstanding or trying to seek approval. He was merely reporting accurately the evidence for the  resurrection of Jesus, something which I think Christ would approve of. You might be interested in my current blog post on the resurrection at p2c.com/michaelhorner. I would be interested in your comments on it.</p>
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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
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		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Joe, I appreciate your desire to make sure the account of Jesus&#039; resurrection is accurate.  Rusty&#039;s claim about the weight of the stone covering the tomb that Jesus was laid in is probably pretty accurate.  Given the size of the opening of the traditional tomb in Jesus&#039; time, the stone covering it would have only been about 4&#039;-6&#039; in diameter.  Most of those stones were only 1&quot; thick and held into place by a track of rock that would allow it to be rolled open and closed but not fall forward (you can see some pictures and read some descriptions of 1st century tombs in Jerusalem at http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-size-of-the-stone-covering-jesus%E2%80%99-tomb-2)  Given those dimensions stone tomb coverings weigh anywhere from 2000-4000 lbs or 1-2 tons.  

Also, according to John 19:39-40, Jesus&#039; body was wrapped in linens and 100 pounds of aloes and myrrh (roman pounds were 11.3 ounces so the weight was closer to 96 pounds).  So for Jesus to untie Himself would have meant somehow manoeuvering out of the tight wrapping weighed down by all the spices.

In regards to the expert executioner, crucifixion was used as a means of public, shameful punishment for those who rebelled against Rome.  It was intended to inflict maximum pain and act as a warning to others who contemplated rebellion.  The province of Palestine was not a peaceful Roman occupation and there had been many who had attempted to incite a national Jewish rebellion.  The fact that Jesus was crucified with at least two other criminals that day lends credence to the idea that the Roman garrison posted in Jerusalem had troop specially assigned to efficiently carrying out these executions.  I think you would be hard pressed to find examples of people who survived a Roman crucifixion which attests to the expertise that these troops had in this area.

Now you may have a point that calling the disciples spineless is hyperbole, but there certainly is plenty of evidence that the disciples hardly seemed in any frame of mind to attempt the theft of the body of Jesus.  Their actions leading up to that point seems to suggest they were more intent on saving their own lives rather than risking Jesus&#039; fate by trying to fabricate a story of His resurrection.

There is no need to exaggerate the details of the death and resurrection of Jesus.  It was a horrendous treatment that He received and words could never accurately capture the pain and suffering He experienced.  Also, the miracle of how He came back to life after experiencing such a death is equally beyond our ability to comprehend or explain. What is hard to swallow is the attempts that people have made to discount the reality of this historical event in order to absolve themselves of having to face the reason that Jesus allowed Himself to be put through this anguish and the life giving hope in the meaning of His resurrection: namely, that He died to pay the penalty we owe for our rebellion against God and that His resurrection gives us hope that we too will be raised to live with Him for all eternity if we accept His offer of forgiveness.  No grandstanding, no exaggeration, just the truth that we all can either choose or reject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe, I appreciate your desire to make sure the account of Jesus&#8217; resurrection is accurate.  Rusty&#8217;s claim about the weight of the stone covering the tomb that Jesus was laid in is probably pretty accurate.  Given the size of the opening of the traditional tomb in Jesus&#8217; time, the stone covering it would have only been about 4&#8242;-6&#8242; in diameter.  Most of those stones were only 1&#8243; thick and held into place by a track of rock that would allow it to be rolled open and closed but not fall forward (you can see some pictures and read some descriptions of 1st century tombs in Jerusalem at <a href="http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-size-of-the-stone-covering-jesus%E2%80%99-tomb-2" rel="nofollow">http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-size-of-the-stone-covering-jesus%E2%80%99-tomb-2</a>)  Given those dimensions stone tomb coverings weigh anywhere from 2000-4000 lbs or 1-2 tons.  </p>
<p>Also, according to John 19:39-40, Jesus&#8217; body was wrapped in linens and 100 pounds of aloes and myrrh (roman pounds were 11.3 ounces so the weight was closer to 96 pounds).  So for Jesus to untie Himself would have meant somehow manoeuvering out of the tight wrapping weighed down by all the spices.</p>
<p>In regards to the expert executioner, crucifixion was used as a means of public, shameful punishment for those who rebelled against Rome.  It was intended to inflict maximum pain and act as a warning to others who contemplated rebellion.  The province of Palestine was not a peaceful Roman occupation and there had been many who had attempted to incite a national Jewish rebellion.  The fact that Jesus was crucified with at least two other criminals that day lends credence to the idea that the Roman garrison posted in Jerusalem had troop specially assigned to efficiently carrying out these executions.  I think you would be hard pressed to find examples of people who survived a Roman crucifixion which attests to the expertise that these troops had in this area.</p>
<p>Now you may have a point that calling the disciples spineless is hyperbole, but there certainly is plenty of evidence that the disciples hardly seemed in any frame of mind to attempt the theft of the body of Jesus.  Their actions leading up to that point seems to suggest they were more intent on saving their own lives rather than risking Jesus&#8217; fate by trying to fabricate a story of His resurrection.</p>
<p>There is no need to exaggerate the details of the death and resurrection of Jesus.  It was a horrendous treatment that He received and words could never accurately capture the pain and suffering He experienced.  Also, the miracle of how He came back to life after experiencing such a death is equally beyond our ability to comprehend or explain. What is hard to swallow is the attempts that people have made to discount the reality of this historical event in order to absolve themselves of having to face the reason that Jesus allowed Himself to be put through this anguish and the life giving hope in the meaning of His resurrection: namely, that He died to pay the penalty we owe for our rebellion against God and that His resurrection gives us hope that we too will be raised to live with Him for all eternity if we accept His offer of forgiveness.  No grandstanding, no exaggeration, just the truth that we all can either choose or reject.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 23:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your argument would have been more believable if you left out the TWO TON grave stone or the 100 POUND grave cloth or the EXPERT executioner or the SPINELESS disciples. Understatement would have worked better when you are talking about God&#039;s Son. Grandstanders and approval seekers are what Christians have become not what Christ was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument would have been more believable if you left out the TWO TON grave stone or the 100 POUND grave cloth or the EXPERT executioner or the SPINELESS disciples. Understatement would have worked better when you are talking about God&#8217;s Son. Grandstanders and approval seekers are what Christians have become not what Christ was.</p>
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