10 Spiritual Questions and Their Answers

Written by Rick Warren

10 Spiritual Questions_290x220Question 1: Why is there evil in the world?

If God exists, why is there evil in the world? You know, this is a difficult stumbling block and question for many people. The simplest way to look at this question is to examine God’s nature and his desire for mankind. Look at the logic. God loves us and wants us to love him back. And how could we love him back unless we have the freedom to not love?

God could have made us like robots who do nothing more than say, “I love you. I love you. I love you.” But we’d be forced to do that and that wouldn’t be real love. Love is a choice. And if you have a choice you have to be able to choose not to love and that in itself is the nature of evil. Evil is choosing not to love. So when God gave us the freedom to choose, he gave us not only our greatest blessing, but he also gave us our greatest curse because we can choose to do right or choose to do wrong.

The reason there’s evil in the world is not because of God, but because God gave us the freedom to choose. Now the potential for love outweighs the existence of evil, because you see, evil is only going to exist for a short time, but love is going to go on forever. And all of the suffering and all of the death that we see in the world today are the result because man has chosen to make wrong choices.

God could have taken our freedom, but He didn’t. I hope you’ll use your freedom to choose God.

Question 2: Is Jesus really God?

Well when you think about it you only have three options as to who Jesus Christ was. You see, Jesus claimed to be God. He said things like, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.” He claimed to be God many, many times. Now, that means either:

  1. He is who he says He was
  2. He was the biggest liar in history or
  3. He was crazy, He was a lunatic on the order of the man who calls himself a fried egg.

You see, you can’t just say Jesus was a good man. I’ve had many friends who said, “Oh, I believe Jesus was a good man.” Well He couldn’t have been a good man and said those things He said. For instance, if I said to you, “I’m Rick Warren and I’m a good teacher and a good husband.” You might say, “Okay, I buy that.” But if I said to you, “I’m Rick Warren and I’m God and I’m the only way to heaven.” Well, you would have to make a decision. You couldn’t say I was a good person because a good person wouldn’t say that. You’d either say, “He is who he says he was, or he’s a liar or he’s crazy.”

Now Jesus didn’t just expect us to believe Him and take Him at His word. He said, “I’m going to prove the claim that I am God.” He said, “I’m going to let people kill me on a cross, then let them bury me. I’ll be dead for three days and then I’ll come back to life.” And, of course, that was the event that changed history. The resurrection of Jesus Christ. Every person since then refers to Jesus Christ, whether they believe in Him or not, every time you right a date, A.D. or B.C., what’s the reference point? Jesus Christ. Because it was the event that split history when Jesus proved that He was who He said He was, He is God.

Question 3: Do all religions lead to God?

Well now think about the logic of this. Can I go into a phone booth and dial any phone number and get home? No, there’s only one number that’ll get me home. I could be sincere, but I could be sincerely wrong. The truth is, all roads don’t lead to Rome and all roads and all religions don’t lead to God.

You see, it all depends on which direction you take. Jesus said this, “I am the way and the truth and the light. No one comes to the Father except through me.” I’m betting my life on the fact that He was right because I figured Jesus knows more about it than I did.

The Bible tells us that on the road to heaven, there are only two directions, toward Christ or away from Him. You can accept it or you can reject it, that’s your choice. You can make Jesus the Lord of your life, that means the manager, the ceo, the person in charge of your life, or you can call Him a liar, but that’s what the Bible declares.

You know a lot of people sincerely believe that even though they’ve broken God’s rules that they can earn God’s forgiveness by doing good works, by observing the Five Pillars of Islam or the Buddhist Eightfold Path or the Hindu Doctrine of Karma, for example. But I don’t get it. How will doing some good works that we should have done all our lives, make up for all the countless times we failed? You see, heaven is a perfect place and that means only perfect people get to go there. If not-perfect people were allowed in, it wouldn’t be perfect anymore. Well I don’t know about you, but I stopped being perfect a long time ago. So God came up with plan b. He came to earth in human form, Jesus Christ, and He lived a perfect life and now He offers to let us go to heaven on His ticket. And I pray that you will trust Jesus Christ and stop trying to bat a thousand because you ended up not doing that a long time ago and accept God’s free ticket through Jesus Christ.

Question 4: What’s going to happen to those people in the world who’ve never heard about Jesus Christ?

You may have heard this question put this way: “What about the person living in the jungle somewhere who’s never heard the good news about Jesus Christ? Are you christians saying that a person won’t go to heaven based solely on where he lives?” No, we’re not saying that. The Bible tells us that God doesn’t work that way. We understand that God is perfect in His love and perfect in His holiness and He’s perfectly just and fair. Therefore, it’s against God’s nature to be unfair. It’s against God’s nature to hide the ball on salvation or to condemn somebody who’s ignorant of his truth. In fact the scripture, the bible declares that God is loving and patient and not willing that anybody should perish. But He wants everybody to come to repentance, to come to know Him.

So if God is a perfectly loving and righteous God, then He will figure out ways to help people understand Him. He somehow reveals the simple truth of the gospel to people throughout the world. You know, I’ve talked to people who were missionaries in Africa who’ve told me that Jesus has revealed Himself through nature. When you look at nature you learn that God is organized, that God is creative, that God likes variety. But it’s when we look at Jesus Christ we realize that God is loving.

And as Christians we are called to tell the good news to other people. It’s God’s decision to decide what happens to people who haven’t heard about Him. But it is our decision to take that news to as many people as possible. And the bible says we will be held more responsible because we have heard and we have known that God is love, that God wants a relationship to us and that God will forgive us if we give our lives to Jesus Christ.

So, what do we do about those who haven’t heard? We tell them. First we accept God’s good news and then we tell them and we leave the result in the hands of a fair, loving and just God.

Question 5: What about all the wars that are caused in the name of Christianity?

Well first, let me say that a lot of things have been done in the name of Christianity that Jesus Christ would totally disavow. And just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn’t necessarily make him a follower of Christ, nor does it make him a representative of Jesus. It’s very, very important to distinguish between the bible kind of Christianity and the actions that have been taken throughout history by people who claim to be Christians but really didn’t know.

You see there’s a difference between religion and a relationship with God. Jesus is not interested in the religion of Christianity. He’s interested in you having a relationship to Him. Jesus never said, “I’ve come that you might have religion.” He said, “I came that you might have life and have it more abundantly.”

Now a lot of people have claimed to be followers of Christ but they’ve lived their lives contrary to His teaching. And we shouldn’t label that group Christian. But let me say this, have you ever seen a counterfeit dollar? Well, maybe you haven’t, but maybe you’ve heard of them. Why are there counterfeit dollars in the world? Well, I’ll tell you why. Because there are real dollars in the world. If there were no real dollars, there would be no counterfeits. And if you find counterfeit Christianity in the world, it must mean that somewhere there must be the real thing. The point is we don’t identify Jesus by claiming that all the things that were done in His name were done by Him. In fact, Jesus proffended His own disciples from defending themselves against the enemies when He said on a personal basis, He said, “I want you to turn the other cheek.”

So a lot of wars have been done in the name of Christianity that Jesus probably would have disavowed. The real issue is do you know Jesus Christ? You see, it doesn’t matter so much what has been done by hypocrites or phonies or false followers of Christ. What matters is do you know the real, true, genuine item? Have you ever turned your life over to Jesus Christ? If you haven’t, I would encourage you to investigate Him today.

Question 6: Is there any real right or wrong?

You know, you might have heard somebody say, “I don’t believe there’s such a thing as right or wrong.” Or maybe you’ve heard a professor say, “There are no absolutes.” Whenever I hear that I want to say, “Are you absolutely sure?” You have to ask yourself, “Is this statement even logical? Is there any right or wrong?” Because when people say, “There is no right or wrong, or it’s wrong for you to impose your morals on me,” think about it, by them telling you that, they are imposing their morals on you.

The fact is we all inheritantly know right from wrong and we just have this weird tendency to disregard it. To disregard morality when it conflicts with our desires for pleasure or personal gain. Now, sure, you might justify having an affair, but certainly you wouldn’t condone your spouse having one. Or you might justify taking something without permission, but if you were the one being robbed you wouldn’t think it was okay. You see the fact is, there isn’t a person alive today who’d come home from work and discover that their entire house had been robbed and say, “Oh, how wonderful that this burglar is able to enjoy all my things without my permission. And who am I to impose my view of right or wrong on this poor burglar?” You see how ridiculous that is? Of course.

Even those who claim there is no right or wrong have their own moral conscious, they’ve just set their own standards. Here’s a good way to determine right from wrong. Turn the situation around on yourself. Jesus said it best. He said, “Treat people the same way you want people to treat you.” You see we all know that murder and rape and lying and stealing and torture and injustice are absolutely wrong. Why? Because we wouldn’t want any of these things to happen to us. The person who would say, “there is no right or wrong,” would not agree that it was okay for them to be raped. No, when you turn it on yourself, you realize that even inside ourselves God has placed a moral conscious and that conscious tells us when we do right and when we do wrong. And when we violate our conscious, we need forgiveness. That’s why the bible said, “God sent Jesus to earth so that we might be forgiven of all of our wrong.”

Question 7: Why do I exist?

That’s the most fundamental question of life. What on earth am I here for?

Well, you need to understand God to answer that question. You see, the bible says, “God is love.” It doesn’t say He has love, it says He is love. It’s part of His nature, His character, it is the essence of His being. God is love. Now, love isn’t very valuable unless you bestow it on something and the bible says, “God made you to love you.” You were created as an object of God’s love. If you want to know why you’re taking breath right now, why your heart is beating, it’s because God made you to love you. It’s the sole reason. You were made to be loved by God and to bring Him pleasure.

Now God wants you to learn to love Him back and that’s the first purpose of your life, to get to know and love Him back. One day Jesus was walking down the street and a man came up and said, “What’s the most important command in the bible?” And Jesus said, “I’m going to summarize the entire bible in one sentence. Love God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength.” That’s called the great commandment. And God wants you to get to know and love Him back. So that means when you get up in the morning, you should sit on the side of your bed and say, “God, if I don’t get anything else done today, I want to know you a little bit better and I want to love you a little bit more.” Because if at the end of the day you know God more and you love Him more, you have just fulfilled one of the purposes of your life.

If, on the other hand, you’ve accomplished all kinds of things and achieved many, many successes in life, but at the end of the day you don’t know God better or love Him more, you have missed the primary purpose of your life. Because God didn’t put you on this earth just to mark things off your to-do list. He put you here to know Him and love Him. That’s why you exist.

Question 8: What is my purpose in life?

Well the truth is, God created you for five purposes. You see, you were made by God and you were made for God. And until you understand that, life isn’t going to make sense. When you come to this question, what is my purpose, you only have three alternatives.

  1. First is what I call the mystical approach, and that is look within. You find this in a lot of talk shows, a lot of new age books a lot of seminars. They say, “look within to discover your purpose.” The only problem is that doesn’t work. We’ve all looked within and I didn’t like what I saw. It’s quite confusing. In fact, if you could know the purpose of your life by looking within, we’d all know it by now. It doesn’t work.
  2. The second way you can try to discover your purpose is called the intellectual or philosophical approach. And that’s where you go to a seminary class or university class and you sit there with a pipe and your latte and your coffee and you ask questions like, “Why am I here? Where did I come from? Where am I going?” I once read a book by professor John Morehead, the Head of the Department of Philosophy at Northeastern University in Illinois. And he wrote to 250 well-known intellectuals and asked them, “What is the meaning and purpose of life?” These were novelists, scientists, well-known intellectuals, and I read the book, it’s now out of print, it was quite depressing because most of the people said, “I have no idea what the purpose of life is.” Some of them admitted they just made up a purpose. And some of the admitted they guessed. And some of them said, “If you know the purpose, please tell me.”
  3. You see, there’s a better answer to speculation and that’s revelation. If I were to hold up an invention that you have never seen before, you wouldn’t know its purpose. The only way you’d know its purpose was either talk to the inventor, the creator who made it or read the owner’s manual. The owner’s manual of life is the bible and your Creator is God. And it is only as you get to know God you will discover his five purposes for your life. I hope you’ll begin that journey today.

Question 9: Does my life really matter?

Well, it’s a good question. You know, today we teach our kids that we’re all just one big cosmic accident. We came from the goo through the zoo to you over billions of years. Well, if that is true, in a nutshell it teaches that your life really doesn’t matter, you’re just the freak accident of random chance, you’re complex slime and you were an accident. And if you get accidentally killed, well, of course, that doesn’t matter. And that creates a lot of our sociological problems and a lot of our self-esteem issues.

But the truth is you are not an accident. You were created by a loving God who loves you and designed you with intricate detail in your life and when you understand that God made you to love you and that God made you to be a part of His family and that God made you to last forever, then you’re never going to have a problem with low self-esteem again.

It was Bertram Russell the atheist who once said, “Unless you assume the existence of God, then the purpose and meaning of life is irrelevant.” The truth is, if there is no God your life doesn’t matter. But because there is a God, God had a specific purpose in mind when He created you and you do matter. You matter because God created you. You matter because he sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross. If you want to know how much you matter, think of Jesus Christ with his arms outstretched saying, “I love you this much.”

Now, if you had to chose between a loved one and a material thing, even if that thing was priceless, you’d chose your loved one in a heartbeat. And when you’re on your deathbed, you’re not going to surround yourself with material possessions, you’re not going to say, “Bring me my trophies. Bring me my credentials. Bring me my certificates so I can look one more time at my grade point average.” No, you’re going to surround yourself with loved ones and everybody’s going to be crying because they’re going to miss you. You see, that’s how much you matter.

Personal relationships to God and to other people are the most important thing in life. And God wants you to know Him and He wants you to have a relationship with Him because you’re worth so much in God’s eyes that he sent His Son to die for you. I hope you’ll get to know Him very soon.

Question 10: Is there a real hell and why would a loving God send anyone there?

Well, first I believe in hell because Jesus talked about it. In fact, Jesus talked more about hell then He did heaven. He said it is a real place and it is a place of eternal torment. And I believe Jesus knows more about it than either you or I.

But second, I believe in hell because logic and fairness demand it. Think of all the atrocities and evil that have been done throughout history by evildoers in this world. For God to allow those crimes to go unpunished would mean that God is not worthy of our worship and love.

Now why would a loving God send anyone to hell? Well in a nutshell, God doesn’t. God doesn’t send anybody to hell. We choose to go there when we reject the love of God. If I were to say to my right is a door heading to heaven, and to my left is a door heading to hell, if you walk out the door heading to hell, you don’t have anybody to blame but yourself.

In fact, the bible tells us that God does almost everything – well everything possible to keep us out of hell. He cared so much to keep us out of hell that he sent Jesus Christ to come to earth, to die on the cross, to pay for our sins so that we don’t have to pay for them. He wants to set us free. He wants to give us forgiveness. God made us in his image and He gave us the ultimate power to say yes or no.

Now if we chose to reject God here on earth, then we, at the same time, are choosing to spend eternity separated from Him. You see, there are only two people in the world – two kinds of people. Those who say, “Thy will be done here to God on earth” and those to whom God says, “Your will be done,” when we say, “I want to do it my way.” And if we say, “God I don’t want you in my life while I’m here on earth,” then God says, “I don’t want you in my heaven for eternity.”

You don’t have to go to hell. In fact, Jesus Christ has made it possible for you to go to heaven. Open your heart to Him and say, “Jesus Christ, I need you, I want you, I trust you and I ask you to forgive me.” And He’ll come in and save you.

You can begin your journey today! Learn more about how you can discover purpose in your life.

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231 Responses to “10 Spiritual Questions and Their Answers”

  • Shelley Shelley says:

    Dear Father God.

    Lord I know that the world is changing and we must not dwell on what is happening, but lean on our savior for strength as all of these thing are part of His plan

  • Hugh Shotwell says:

    Just before Thanksgiving last year, I was in a coma from respiratory failure, with no hope of survival. After 5 days, I woke up with a desire (calling) to ask muslims, since their god was the same as the God of the Christians and Jews, why do they think, they must murder all infidels. Is their god not powerful enough to destroy non-belivers? The murders in Africa and the Mideast must be stopped.
    Hygh Swhotwell

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    HI Alberto, I know you have a lot to say and I would like to hear from you but your last post is too long. If you would be able to break it up into a series of posts I think our system will be able to handle it better. It will also allow people to respond to your many points more efficiently.

    Thanks

  • Jax says:

    The extra-dimensional creature which religious people call (God) realizes far deeper, and higher-state of consciousness, better, and more deeply than any creature on the entire planet, a God or an extra-dimensional creature has no need to punish a creature for his deeds he has done, the person will punish himself to reincarnete the whole-time, and when he is done, he will enter the higher-state of consciousness, thats what life is fore, to experience, to take an experience. just like a video game, you lose sometimes, but some day you win, thats the same as this life. man and animal, and more creatures has come here to take an experience, on a planet ”or maybe more planets” but this planet we call Earth.

    if a person kills another person, it has a reason, and when we have reason, and when there is a reason, there is no need for punishment, if there is no reason, thats the reason for not having a reason. everything has a reason, and a meaning, and that is why we are here, but if anyone is good, and listen what a book of thousands of years is saying, there is not alot of experiences possible than, whats the point if the creator knew that 50 or 60% of the world is going to heaven, while a weak, unintelligent, ignorant being was sent to hell for not better knowing, or not being intelligent enough? punished by his imperfectness, or a good reason? that is an unjust God i certainly do not want to worship.

    if the bible is true, christians and catholics already sinned, christians have considered both witchcraft and technology to be evil over the course of their history. Since christians are really themselves being evil then, that makes both witchcraft and technology good.

    its pretty disgusting to think that an extra-dimensional being allowed a devil to let mankind sin, so an unperfect race can choose between two, difficult-choices called Good and Evil, God and Satan are described as two, powerful-deitys, its impossible for a low-conscious being to battle between these two deity, also, i think its impossible that you can sin in heaven, since everything in heaven is one, and the same, i think its impossible that ”satan” or ”lucifer” whatever you want to call him is interested to want to be the leader in heaven, since heaven is everywhere and nowhere, God is energy, God is everywhere, thoughts are energy, since God made things, it means that these things are from God, therefore, God controlled everything, if Satan has the free-will to rebel against a creature who is everywhere (which is impossible to rebel) God has gived him the possibility to rebel, and sin, and since these two powerful-deitys fighted at eachother, its impossible to think about that, if something is wrong, or is made wrong, it will disconnect itself from the higher, you cant be negative in a place-called heaven, you are one with the creator, you are everywhere, and nowhere, you cant have the power of a place which is infinite, everything, including ”angels” are infinite with the creator.

    if it is true that God sended satan to a place called (hell) it means that God has forbidded satan to go back to heaven, if it is true that the bibical adam and eve existed, and if the serpent was really there, it means that the serpent has taken an form, a snake-kind of form, how the bible-describes him, since creator, or an extra-dimensional being has a mission to create a creation, he knew the outcome, satan cant enter heaven, only when God allowed him to enter, satan cant take any physical or spiritual on a garden where God made creations, and misguided woman, only if God allowed it, and if he allowed it, the bible doesn’t describe it how and why, therefore, the bible doesn’t speak all the truth out of it, therefore, the bible can be a big HOAX, with small truths in it.

    since God is everywhere, its impossible that a being in heaven would reject himself out of it, since that being is God himself.

    only if God did is for a reason, and why didn’t the bible told us more? if so, send me a verse about it, a REAL verse, and not some mumbo-jumbo verse, ok?

    owh, and about ”hell” the bible describes hell as a firey-place, or a lake of fire, since satan was sended to such a place, which we call ”hell” he doesn’t had

    if it is true that satan possed with his spirit an snake in the Garden or Eden, God would had realized it.

    if satan and his followers will be throwed in a spiritual-kind of fire, God also will feel it himself, since it is from his own energy.

    and do you really think an extra-dimensional being wants to hurt himself?

    i think he has far more things better to do…

  • Michael Jantzen M. Jantzen says:

    Hello Alberto,

    It sounds like you feel you’ve got it figured out. But your parallel myth theory is actually based on false historical research. It’s easy to win an argument when you set up a straw man based on internet fiction. You might want to check out this article http://wellspentjourney.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/devastating-arguments-against-christianity-courtesy-of-the-internet/ before you swallow stuff on the internet put out there by people who aren’t scholars: Heres a video with actual scholars talking: http://powertochange.com/itv/spirituality/afterlife5/ Heres’ a quote from the video: “This movement [parallel myth theory]has utterly collapsed today in scholarship; it only persists in popular, sensationalist literature on the internet.” You are welcome to respond, Alberto.

  • Michael Jantzen M. Jantzen says:

    Hello Alberto,

    I can see that you detest religion that is institutional and blame many of history’s evils on it. I do wonder if you have actually looked at the good that has happened in history because of Christians who faught institutional oppression and worked towards democracy and human rights. Have you ever read the gospel books in the Bible and seen how much Jesus was anti-institutional? There are millions of Christians who take his life and teachings as their model of spirituality, so I’m curious what you think of Jesus himself, not just the catholic branch of Christianity. Take care.

  • Alberto says:

    Christianity is not spiritual in any respect. They are in truth a political institution posing as a religious/spiritual front. Followers are deceived into living for their death, and giving up all occult/spiritual knowledge and power so they are defenseless and harmless against those who have this knowledge and know how to use it. They are deluded into thinking their “God” will punish these people when all along, they have been prepared through generations to be mindless slaves and their souls have through generations of rejecting true spirituality, atrophied in spiritual power. The goal is nearly accomplished and will succeed if these idiots don’t wake up.

    I read where Billy Graham’s churches now have DVD and plush loudspeaker systems with stereo. What does this have to do with spirituality? Their front of Christian charity is a joke. Most of the donations, which total in the trillions of dollars, are funneled into the World Council of Churches where they are used politically, for funding communism, wars, and other terrorist activities. Secular organizations such as the local county welfare agencies are the ones who in truth do the most for the needy. This comes out of the pockets of the taxpayers, NOT the Christian churches.

    The leaders of both Christianity and totalitarian governments themselves are incredibly materialistic.
    When we look at the Catholic Church through the centuries, we find that as they were bleeding the last bit of money from poverty stricken families, widows and even generations of families who were targeted by the inquisition, the church itself was amassing and hoarding gold, silver, valuable knowledge, artifacts, and precious gems in unbelievable quantities.

    In addition to taking in and gathering all the gold, silver and other valuables it was able to confiscate, the Catholic Church acquired huge amounts of real estate; most of this was also accomplished through the mass murders and extortion carried out by the Inquisition. The Catholic Church today is undoubtedly the most exceptionally wealthy institution on the face of the earth. The amount of money, land, treasures, artifacts, and other material holdings of the Catholic Church alone is beyond the stretch of the imagination.

    Even through the Dark Ages when poverty was widespread, mostly because of Christianity itself, we find these huge and fabulously wealthy cathedrals, built in the midst of the extreme deprivation of the populace, with altars and apses made of gold with ornately decorated vaults, columns and walls. Magnificent basilicas, cathedrals, abbeys, baptisteries, monasteries, convents, and churches were built. Practically all of these were so lavish and so huge in comparison with the meager surroundings of the times, that they flamboyantly stood out as the main repository of all the material wealth — gold, silver and architectural lavishness — of both their era and their geographical location.

    The Catholic Church during the Dark Ages established itself as the unconditional ruler over all of Europe. The Catholic Church had complete dominion over kings and queens, the military and ruled by terror. No one was free in any respect. Knowledge was destroyed and/or removed from the populace, because to create a perfect slave state, slaves must be illiterate and without power.

    “Christianity and communism are very close spiritually and ideologically. This is a fairly well known concept that has been adopted by various thinkers, from Thomas More to Lev Tolstoy. Few people know that the world’s first socialist state was established in Paraguay and was based on the ideas of Catholic Jesuits before Marx created his teachings.”

    “The “Society of Jesus” – the Jesuit religious order – in the Catholic Church was roughly equivalent to the KGB in the Soviet Union.”
    Above quotes taken from “Pravda” [The main Communist Party Newspaper and leading newspaper of the former Soviet Union] From the article: Is there any difference between Christianity and Communism? 30/04/2013

    The mass murders committed by Josef Stalin [Jew], Mao Tse-tung, and other communist dictators were repeats of the Christian inquisition. The names and the faces change, but it is still the same agenda with the same people. Mao marched on Tibet, murdering and torturing native Tibetans en masse. The Chinese Army, under orders from Mao traversed steep mountains and dangerous terrain for the primary purpose of destroying ancient knowledge, regardless of what the history books claim. The Tibetan monasteries, because of the surrounding Himalayan Mountains, have been secluded from the rest of the world and as a result were able to keep ancient knowledge out of the control of the destructive Christians. Anyone who has any serious knowledge or spiritual power is a threat to the state. Slaves must neither possess knowledge nor have access to occult power. Knowledge and power are kept in the hands of the controlling few. Of course, Billy Graham’s “East Gate Ministries” was permitted to flood China with bibles; a project that totaled in the millions of dollars- all tax-exempt.

    The concept of world domination by a select group who rule with an iron fist and use mass murder and terror to achieve their ends is spelled out through the entire Judeo/Christian bible.

    Concepts: The state owns and controls all property. Listed below are parallels and teachings in the Judeo/Christian bible: Your body isn’t your own; it is the property of “God.”

  • Alberto says:

    Editor’s note: Hi Alberto, I can see that this is an issue you are quite passionate about, however it is our policy to delete any comment that is longer than the original article being commented up.

  • lookingup lookingup says:

    Hello Vincent,

    I would just like add to what Jamie said. To address all that you have commented on is well beyond the scope of this forum. Books have been written on a number of the things you have brought up. But I do wish, at least in some way, address some of them.

    You called God’s rules oppressive and arbitrary. I think one could say that for any of the sports we play or watch today. Or one could make the argument that the laws on our road ways are oppressive and arbitrary. To me that would be a matter of opinion. You see I don’t see them that way, I see curve signs, guardrails and bridge out signs as things that are designed to keep me safe, not as arbitrary and oppressive. What would a football game be with out rules? A society without rules is not a land of freedom but a land of lawlessness and anarchy. Are all rules to be done away with all for the sake of freedom? That would not be freedom at all.

    One other question I would like to address. You asked why didn’t God just forgive Adam and Eve before things got out of hand? A couple of things to consider, firstly, Adam and Eve didn’t ask to be forgiven. My thinking is that all of history may well have changed had they asked. You see what they did do? They blamed one another. Adam said it was this woman you gave me, the woman said it was the serpents fault. You see no one wanted to take the blame for their own wrong doing. How little has changed. You see God’s word tells us that if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive. So we have a historical lesson to learn, but the question is are we willing to learn? Secondly, there is no record of Adam and Eve being sorry at all for what they had done, no remorse. Adam’s only confession was that he was afraid.

    You have trouble understanding why a God would send His Son to be tortured and that surely is a great mystery that He choose that way but to have my penalty paid for for all I’ve done wrong, I can only be humbly grateful.

    For you Vincent, His offer is on the table for you too. He wishes to know if that nagging feeling in the back of your mind that it is all true, will be the one thing that your mind and will wants to surrender to. He asks you how long do you want to fight me? That’s a question only you can answer.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Vincent, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts here. You have some pretty negative views of Christianity. It would seem that you have done some pretty close investigation on all this. You identify ‘religious elites’ and yet Christianity was started amongst a grassroots group of people who were attacked, maligned and condemned by religious elites of 1st Century Palestine. It would be hard to say that their goal was to control and oppress the weak minds of the masses. The historical evidence just does not support that kind of conclusion.

    Speaking of historical evidence, how do you explain the individual who is the central figure of Christianity? There is no doubt that he existed, showed an ability to preform wonders, that He was condemned by the Jewish leaders, that He was crucified under Pontius Pilate and that He rose from the dead. How does He fit into your view of Christianity?

    You are also fairly adamant on the oppressive impact of Christianity on the people and society in which it is dominant. Yet the Western World has flourished through their Christian heritage. In fact I was just reading recently about a study that showed that Christian missionary movement has been one of the single most consistent component of nations developing into a democratic societies (see Robert Woodberry’s article in the American Political Science Review https://www.academia.edu/2128659/The_Missionary_Roots_of_Liberal_Democracy) It would seem to me to be difficult to prove that “The intelligence and skills that have been given to humanity in this case have gone totally to waste.”

    So what has brought you to these conclusions?

  • Vincent says:

    Religion (particularly Christianity and Islam) are designed to focus the people’s attention and energy on a single, unchanging, uncompromising and invisible supreme being who allegedly created an inferior human race just for some extra companionship and love for himself. Who then supposedly foisted a set of oppressive and in some cases arbitrary rules on them, which if broken would be met with unimaginable punishment. This keeps the followers in a continuing state of fear and compliance. They are afraid to question the intentions of this invisible being and are even afraid to express their own individuality in many cases. Christians and others are taught that they have virtually no power to do anything except pray, worship and do good deeds. They are taught to practice self denial and are told that their own will is totally irrelevant. Religious followers believe that they are yielding their will over to a benevolent cosmic individual who conjured up the universe in just under a week on a whim, when in fact they are handing their will and freedoms over to hidden groups of religious elites for the group’s own agenda.
    It appears that these types of religions must constantly degrade and humiliate their followers in order to glorify and elevate their god. Unfortunately many people appear eager to give away their power to authorities and seem to have a need and even a desire to be ruled and disciplined by them. Worshipping gods is not necessary and is little more than an ancient primitive custom practiced by weak willed and superstitious people. It has no practical place in the 21st century. The reason we have life in this world is to experience life in this world, not to spend our entire lives studying an old book, looking up to the sky and worshipping a supposed invisible, authoritarian, iron fisted ruler in the sky.
    The main method by which Christians in particular are trapped and deceived is with the messiah or saviour story. This is linked to the ‘original sin’ story which is designed to impose a large amount of guilt onto the population. The believers are then so grateful that they have been saved by the ‘son of God’ nearly 2000 years before they were born, that in some cases they abandon all reason, logic and good judgement to obey and worship this god and his mysterious son. Anyone who believes this story is indeed lost because to believe that a god would send his only son to help us, only to see his son get tortured and murdered, and then instead of unleashing all his wrath, simply absolve us from all crimes past and present, is madness to say the least. Where is the lesson for us in that? What has been achieved? Why didn’t he just forgive Adam and Eve before things got completely out of hand? There is no lesson or purpose because it’s all about mass psychological enslavement and disempowerment.
    The so called god that we are expected to worship is mostly just a dictator straw-man concocted by the religious elites for the purpose of controlling the masses. If there is a prime creator in the universe (which is possible) then its more likely that he/it would allow humans to develop naturally through natural evolution. That would be far better than just foisting a bunch of strict laws etc onto the people in only one part of the world (as if those people didn’t have a mind to create their own laws like the people on other continents did). Plus which quickly become outdated anyway, especially the specific cultural traditions and practices of an area. Let alone need and demand frivolous worship and blind obedience (which contradicts free will). Neither of those things requires any level of mental aptitude or creativity. The intelligence and skills that have been given to humanity in this case have gone totally to waste. Many have lowered themselves to the pointless practice of hero worship.
    Furthermore, Christianity, Islam and a few other religions are polarized religions. They are polarized against each other. One is believed by its zealots to be good, while the other is seen as bad. The funny thing is that each one thinks that theirs is good and the other’s is bad. In most ways they’re both bad. The only good kind of religion is a neutral and all loving one. Polarized religions have been devised by influential elite leaders to play the people off against each other. That way the elite can defeat and enslave the population practically without lifting a finger.
    Religion is like a drug to some. They need a 2000 year old hero to save them – from themselves!
    And the churches don’t permit their followers to have any real truth and knowledge because that would empower the people too much, so they spoon feed them kiddy stories, half truths, distortions and even lies. And the followers value it highly even though they must spend the rest of their lives just making sense of it.
    The irony is that religion is pretty much man made, so mankind has really brought this onto themselves.
    The religious elites are not totally to blame because many people actually enjoy listening to mystical sounding stories, performing rituals, customs and traditions, playing polarity roles and dramas, and waging battles against what they perceive to be a devil boogie man. Some also must have a secret fetish or something to be dominated and ruled with an iron fist by a supreme ruler or king. Or they just don’t want to have to think for themselves.
    After all these centuries people still haven’t learned to take back their power and start taking responsibility for running their own lives. ?

  • Alfred Alfred says:

    Hi Cleophas, I think Lookingup has said it very plainly! You are so right, Mom. The payment for sin is death. Crucifixion is the most cruel death that has been devised by man. Jesus went that rout for us. We are unable to pay for one-another’s sins. We cannot be good enough or reach high enough to gain salvation. That is why God, through Jesus (the sinless One), reached down from heaven, to do for us what we could not do for ourselves. If Jesus had sinned even once, he would have had to pay for his own sin. But because He was pure and sinless, He could take on the sins of all of mankind! Jesus, in effect bought back what the devil had stolen.
    But, let’s go back to the beginning: God placed Adam & Eve in The Garden, and had them choose between obeying and disobeying Him. The serpent/Satan was there to distort the truth, and mankind fell! All the descendants of this couple now have a sinful nature. God’s act of redemption, via the blood of Jesus, was for all of mankind, including those before Christ, those during His time, and all the way into the future. Jesus has given His ALL for me; what am I willing to give Him for this? What a paradox, that salvation is free, yet it costs us everything! Well, from personal experience, I’d say that the joy of knowing Jesus, and the privilege of calling Him Lord, is the best thing that ever happened to me. I cannot fathom Him, but enjoy learning and living in His presence. The Holy Spirit tells me that I’m in the family of God!

  • lookingup lookingup says:

    That is a good question. Scripture tells us that all of us have done wrong (sinned Romans 3:23). It also tells us that God is a good and just God and just like when you would be brought before a just judge in court today a just judge would have to punish you for the wrong you have done. So too, with your sin, God will justly judge us for that sin.

    Now imagine that what you did wrong deserved the death penalty. And also imagine that the judge after serving sentence would say I will take the punishment for you. I will take the death penalty in your place. Wow, wouldn’t that be a relief?

    Now what if this judge said I will do this as a gift to you, if you will believe me, trust me and commit your life to me. This is what Jesus has done. He has in effect taken your punishment if you take His gift. The gift is not of any value if you don’t receive it. Just like any other gift, you have to take it and open it to make it yours. Does that make sense?

  • cleophas says:

    To mom,

    Just before anyone comes up with his or her thought, i will like to say that you have a wonderful Question.

  • Mom says:

    Hey there, so this is a basic one…I do not understand the whole bit about Jesus’s cruxifiction as “payment” for all of our “sins”.

  • Michael Jantzen M. Jantzen says:

    Hi George, life sure is full of questions and it can be hard to figure out these big questions. But I think if God designed us with the craving to seek ‘meaning’ and ‘understanding’ about the big questions, then he would also give us the answers (maybe not all of them, but enough to have our spirits settled and find rest). I would encourage you to watch this youtube video. It’s a chat with a Christian philosopher on why the existence of God would be relevant to our lives and adds much meaning to our lives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcpGEEaz44g&list=PLGVo4JZaQ-g7Zd5dclqNOWku9y-UO5Wb0&index=1 Take care.

  • george says:

    When you buy a car or house before you sign that agreement you are informed of your obligations.
    My question is when were we given the choice to have life? It just seems pretty dumb to believe your actions on the little time you have on earth decides your fate. I believe if we were given an option of life that most would not want it. Besides, no one can’t grasp the length of billions of years and eternity is just words. Life is full of questions and no one really knows any of it.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Jim, I know it can be heard to deal with the hurt of being alone. We have an article that deals with the issue of God’s promise of a spouse. I think you will learn something from the article and will find that a lot of the people commenting there can be very supportive. You can find the article at http://powertochange.com/experience/sex-love/promise

  • Sharon Sharon says:

    good article thank you for psoting it

  • OctopusArmy says:

    TRUST in HIM. He knows what HE is doing. And HE knows what you are capable of doing/ and what you’re not capable of doing… for HE created all of us.

    My knowledge is nothing as compared to the one’s of a CREATOR/GOD.
    That is why my answer is based on just a humble IMAGINATION.

    1. Get a piece of paper.
    2. Get a pencil.
    3. Then write your own creation.
    4. Draw people, or make stories about people that you’re going to create and you’re going to be their GOD.
    5. You can reveal to them the things you want to reveal… or maybe not.
    6. Or maybe change the story if you want.
    7. Or maybe create rules to test if they will follow.
    8. And see who will have FAITH because they have a reason to BELIEVE.
    9. Or see who will just BELIEVE simply because they know they are just your own creation.
    10. Then it’s up to you… what you want to do on the simple creation you did on that paper.
    Because on the piece of paper… you just acted an example of how a CREATOR is.

    If the religion CHRISTIANITY is bringing out the worst in you. Then make your own BELIEF, make something that will justify that GOD is a loving GOD. So in the end of your LIFE, if you happen to believe on the LIFE after, maybe you can justify to GOD that your argument is worth it… because you’re trying to be like HIM by questioning HIS doings. And maybe because GOD is a loving GOD.. HE will listen to you… and because HE is so powerful… HE will make another UNIVERSE and assigned you to be a GOD in that UNIVERSE. Or maybe, your BELIEF that God is a lie… or not so powerful will show up on that after LIFE and get you trapped in that same UNIVERSE that you created for yourself.

    Hope that helps.
    LOVE,
    A person from another UNIVERSE.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Thanks for joining the conversation Abel. I am sure there is much more complexity to God’s omnipresence than what we are able to explain. There are passage in the Bible that seem to indicate that God chooses to go to different locations which can give the impression that He is not everywhere at all times. One example of that would be in the record of the Tower of Babel where God says, “Come, let’s go down and confuse their language so they won’t be able to understand each other.” (Genesis 11:7) But we also have other passages where God describes Himself as being everywhere: “Do you not know that I am everywhere?” the Lord asks. (Jeremiah 23:24) There’s even a verse in the writings of the prophet Amos which says, “Even if they could dig down into the netherworld, my hand would pull them up from there.” (Amos 9:2)

    So there are three significant aspects of the omnipresence of God that we can know: 1) God is unlimited in presence. There is no place–material or spiritual–that is inaccessible to Him; 2) for those who are followers of His, we can have the confidence that we are never beyond His love, His provision or protection; 3) there is no where that we can hide from God. As Francis Thompson refers to Him, He is the Hound of Heaven who relentlessly pursues us all in order to show us His great love.

  • Abel says:

    I believe that God’s omnipresence has been misconstrued as being everywere, instead of being able to be at multiple places simultaneously. The Trinity is holy, Tartarus is an unholy place, and as God does not dwell in unholy people, so does he not dwell in unholy places.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    I appreciate your questions. I don’t think you are being argumentative.

    While I understand your desire to be able to have every aspect of God explained it just is not possible to do that. Because God has no limits our limited human mind will never be able to grasp the full nature of His complexity. It is like comparing an adult to an infant. We know from developmental psychology that at an early stage of human development a child is only aware of what is within the realm of their perception. When something or someone leaves the room, to the young mind, that one no longer exists. That’s why peek-a-boo is such a fun game–Mama is gone and then she comes back, she’s gone and then she comes back. That compares to our understanding of God: our mind just cannot comprehend what it means to have no limits and no matter how much we try to explain Him we will always fall short. But we do the best with what we have and continue to explore and stretch our minds to better understand the Great Creator God.

    But let’s look at what we do know: 1) The existence of our universe and the laws that govern that universe proves that there must be a Supernatural Designer who initiated all this. The laws of thermodynamics prove that all energy within this universe had a beginning–it is not infinite. All of the complexity of the fine tuned balance of the forces of the universe establish that the Initiator was highly intelligent to control those elements of the universe. 2) We know that there was a man named Jesus in first century Palestine who claimed to be God, who performed miraculous acts, who died by crucifixion, and was resurrected. Those facts are clearly attested to in the accounts written in the Bible (all of which were written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of those who had seen and heard all that Jesus had said and done) but there are also significant historical documents from other–sometimes hostile–sources as well, which confirm all those things we know. Jesus said the sign He would give of His divinity was His resurrection. He had developed enemies amongst those who were in political, social and religious power, and those people were determined to stamp out any following that Jesus began. All they had to do was to produce the body of Jesus in order to take away any influence His life may have had. They never did that because Jesus body was and is no longer here on Earth. Just as He had promised, He rose from the dead, establishing conclusively that He is God.

    So we have a God who is powerful and intelligent enough to create our universe, and yet at the same time is loving enough to come and sacrifice Himself on our behalf. The Bible from the beginning to the end reveals that kind of a God: one of great power and wisdom and yet infinitely focused on humanity, the ones He created to reflect His character to the rest of the created order, tho ones He has created to have a unique relationship with Himself. There are no contradictions between His perfect justice and His perfect love. It is humanity that has rejected Him and dealt rebelliously against His authority. It is we who have stood on the very ground He has made for us and shaken our fist at Him to say, “You have no right to tell me how to live my life.” all the while ignoring that the air we use to make such a arrogant claim is a loving gift from His hand. We pretend that He isn’t there while all around is evidence of His love and presence with us. We mockingly ask, “Why doesn’t God show Himself?” when He has already made the ultimate sacrifice of becoming one of us in order to save us from ourselves. It is not God who is full of contradictions. It is humanity that continually lives out a contradiction of not wanting God but wanting all of the good gifts He gives.

    You suggest that there is an inconsistency between how God acts in the Old Testament and what we see of Jesus in the New Testament. One of the examples you cite is the instructions given by God through Moses regarding ‘eye for an eye’. The passages in Exodus and Deuteronomy are given to direct a judge in a civil case. This is helping to establish a system of justice by which the people of Israel can create their new nation. Without some standards justice would become relative and there would be abuses. This statement is as much a protection for the accused as it is justice for the victims. But what was intended as a measurement for justice system had become the standard for personal interactions. What Jesus is speaking into when He says, “Turn the other cheek” is to the personal willingness to forgive those who hurt you. He was not trying to change the courts of the day but He was trying to change the hearts of the people to become forgiving and loving. There is no contradiction between the two at all.

    You say that God is a vengeful God in the Old Testament but loves unconditionally in the New Testament. Yet in the Old Testament we see God acting in mercy towards the people of Israel time and again despite their rebellion against Him. We see Him give 400 years to the people of Canaan to turn from their rebellion against Him. In the New Testament we see Jesus angrily cleansing the Temple of all those that were cheating people, He calls down Woes on those who refuse to turn from their wickedness, and He prophecies great calamities in the last days because of people’s rejection of Him. God is a God of justice and love. His unconditional love shown through Jesus is not because He ignores the sin of people but because Jesus took the penalty of all our sin upon Himself. Since He took our punishment there is no need for us to pay that penalty ourselves. There is no contradiction or inconsistency.

  • operator666 says:

    Understand I am not trying to be argumentative, I thank you for your responses. But to go from one post explaining in detail hell being the complete absence of God and warning of the consequences of our choices to exclude God leading to that Hell and the next giving examples of Him not being limited from Hell or absent strikes me as counterproductive to your stance. You are quoting to me examples of stories that are on par with any of the other faiths and their beliefs of fantastic events that occurred between the Gods. It is just not rational. To every single time you do not have a firm answer to simply say God is big and His ways are beyond our knowing as a fall back. The Christian faith is a rewrite of a previous faith, the Old Testament. They stand in direct contradiction to one another. Eye for an eye or turn the other cheek? Smite down the unbeliever or love your fellow man? God who will have his vengeance or one who loves unconditionally? The bible specifically says who is God that He should change His mind? But He does and has. The old and new testaments show that clearly.

  • cleophas says:

    [Editor's note - Hi Cleophas, I want you to know that everyone here is welcome no matter what their view. In your note you questioned why another commentor was posting here and that is why I have removed your note. This is a forum for the exchange of ideas and all view points have a place here. If you want to rephrase your statement so that it reflects that inclusiveness your comments will be welcomed also. Thank you for your understanding!]

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    You are good on your phone! That’s a lot of typing and not even one auto correct mistake. You have got skills lady.

    I don’t think the existence of Hell undermines the nature of God as omnipresent. The Bible doesn’t address this in detail so some of this is speculation but Jesus does tell a story of two men who lived very different lives and discovered that their after-life was equally different. The story is often referred to as the Lazarus and the Rich man (Luke 16:19-31) At the conclusion of the story we see Abraham who is in Heaven, and the Rich Man who is in Hell, interacting together across a great chasm. Now, the point of the story is not to describe in detail our existence in eternity, I think it is safe to speculate that while those in Hell as separated from the goodness of God it does not mean that God is not present there as well. We have another story recorded in the book of Job that describes Satan having access to the throne room of God. Again the point of the story is not to perfectly describe the comings and goings of spiritual beings but it is not as straight-forward as you describe it.

    It is sort of like the old impossible scenario: is God able to make a rock too big for Him to life? Just because our finite mind is unable to grasp the vastness of an unlimited God does not therefore mean that He does not exist. In fact, if we were able to understand everything there is to know about God that would mean He was limited in some way and therefore not an eternal God.

    Let’s be clear about something, a follower of Jesus does not cease to take responsibility for the choices he/she makes. In fact it is exactly the opposite: it is exactly because a follower of Jesus knows that they are guilty of sinning against a God of infinite value and the cost of that offence is equally unlimited that they have come to receive the sacrifice of Jesus–which is of infinite effectiveness–which pays the penalty for that sin and in return they receive the perfection of God which emboldens them and empowers them to follow the leading of Jesus in every situation of life so that they can proclaim the transforming power of Jesus Christ in their life. When they do get caught up in their own selfishness again and are faced with the reality of their sin they are deeply distressed and cry out with the Psalmist who wrote, “For it is against You alone, O God, that I have sinned!” and in with a humble heart confess that sin and commit to returning again to following Jesus in every situation. That is not a person who refuses to take responsibility for their actions but a person who absolutely recognizes the gravity of their sin and in earnest looks to God for help to free them from the grasp of that sinful nature.

  • operator666 says:

    Im not ignoring what the Bible says, I am refuting its validity. There are many questions I would like to ask you regarding your response, but I’m typing on my phone so iI’ll just ask this one. You gave many examples of Gods path for us being the better way and how we have been given choice and chosing to disobey God results in seperafion from Him which is Hell. How can Hell which is the complete absence of God even exist for a God who is omnipresent? The very existence of Hell nueters God completely…..He cannot be omnipresent if Hell exists because He is not there, he cannot be omnipotent because he is absentfrom Hell and so has no sway there and so on and so on…I really would love to believe in fairy tales, I wanted so long to hang on to Salvation, etc…but, my story you asked about is that I began asking questions and I followed them all to there logicak conclusions. And then, the most amazing thing happened, I began to take responsibility for my actions because I am responsible not God. I dont ask why Gid let me get pregnant now like the other post, because I know its because I had sex with someone! I realize how much valuable my life and others are because its finite and there is no after this. I could go on….I have yet to find any part of Christianity that is not contradictory.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Guys, I appreciate your willingness to dialogue about your concerns. It has always been through the sharing of ideas in an open authentic manner that people have been able to judge for themselves the veracity of an idea.

    One of the issues you addressed Operator is why God would create us for a loving relationship with Him but then if we choose not to love Him we are sent to an eternity in Hell. I think what you are ignoring is that the Bible says that all good gifts come from God; everything that is of value and important to who we are and what brings true joy comes from God. Therefore to be removed from God means that I am removed from every good thing. What you are asking for is that humans should be able to pick and choose little pieces of God; you don’t like the whole package, especially the part about Him being the final authority on all things, but you would still like to receive a few of the good things that He gives. The problem with that is, without the whole package there is still only destruction. Some examples would be our environment: God created a beautiful place for us to live full of all the things we need to live with comfort and security. But because we have chosen only to have part of God—the parts that we want—we don’t follow God’s instructions to be good stewards of what He has given us and we abuse the good gifts He has given without any regard to the consequences it has. Because we haven’t been following God’s directions on how to care and sustain the world He has given us we find ourselves today in a world that is in great turmoil. We didn’t realize that the instructions to care and nurture our environment were also good gifts from God; it sounded too much like rules that we didn’t want to follow.

    Another example is the beautiful gift that God has given of the love of a husband and wife. God set it up that a man and a woman would join with one another in a committed, loving relationship, enjoying the pleasure of becoming one flesh, and into that union God would bring children; exactly the kind of environment that children need in order to grow up healthy and whole in all respects. But we humans did not like the restraints of that ‘committed’ relationship. We wanted the pleasure of sex but not the responsibility of fidelity. So we have worked to find ways of eliminating procreation from the equation of sex so we don’t have the guilty feelings of bringing children into an environment where there is neither love nor commitment. We promote promiscuity as an ideal rather than the beauty of a committed love of husband and wife.

    We could go on at how we have taken only the good gifts from God that we like and remove them from the parts we don’t like and how those good gifts then become a destructive hurtful thing. The truth is if we reject part of God, we are rejecting all of Him. And to reject all of God is to reject everything that is good. Hell is just the ultimate reality of not wanting God. It is a place where there is nothing good. On Earth, we are given a choice: do you choose God or not. Choosing God means allowing him to be the final authority in all things and following His lead in everything; you can be sure that His plan is best because He is the author of it all and knows how best to enjoy the good gifts He has given. Not choosing God means here on Earth not following His directions on how best to use His good gifts and discovering again and again that our way is a destructive way; what great grace from God that we get to see how poorly we do apart from His plan. Here on Earth we are given the opportunity to turn from doing things our own way and following Him. However, the ultimate end of not choosing God is getting exactly that: none of God, which means the end of anything good–Hell.

    God will not force anyone to choose Him. He gives us the choice because for love to be true there must be the option NOT to love. If God never gave us the opportunity to choose not to love Him our love for Him would be a false love not true love. But what people have found out through all the history of humanity is that choosing to love God IS the best way. Following Him and trusting in His plans and purposes always lead us into the best path–not always the easiest path, but the best path.

    Operator, I know you said that you were once a follower of Jesus. I don’t know much of your story and what happened to you that made you change your mind. I would be interested to hear your story.

  • operator666 says:

    Its not that I hate or even dislike Christians, I used to be one. But Christianity doesn’t answer the hard questions and it cannot provide any lasting comfort except in the form of ignorance. The Christian mentality cannot truly offer peace and compassion. How could it when it presupposes the answers to everything. Nothing frightens me more than a person who truly believes they have the ultimate answers to everything and knows what is best for everyone. The defense of the Christian faith starts with what they believe to be the answers and wotks backward to prove those beliefs instead of following the truth and rationally adjusting to that.

  • TheArtfulDodger says:

    It’s even worse than that. We’ll grant the premises and follow them to their logical conclusion. God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent. All knowing, all powerful, everywhere, and infinitely loving. He’s also supposed to be infinite, but that’s another argument. He created Adam and Eve. He forbid them from eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Eating the fruit of the tree confers the knowledge of good and evil, which means that God made Adam and Eve without the ability to tell right from wrong and then told them it was wrong to eat the fruit that would allow them to understand the concept of “wrong.” I could elaborate, but I’ve said all that needs saying.

  • operator666 says:

    So God created us to be loved by Him? And this means if we do not fulfill this purpose the consequences just happen to be eternity in Hell. So we are thrown away as faulty creations. Please explain how an all powerful God who loves us unconditionally cannot, since He created us, find a place for those who do not choose Him that involve eternal torment.Your God is not God at all.
    Lets talk about choice for one second…your God is the creator of everything, except for evil, which is a byproduct of sin entering our lives because of man choosing to disobey Him. This God, who loves us so much chose to create a perfect place for us and place directly in front if us the means to our destruction and from there chose to punish those who could or would not follow Him from there on after in Hell. God is a lie. He either is NOT all powerful and could not create an existence that did not involve evil and torment and pain and still allow us to choose Him…or, He does not love us unconditionally because He created this existence and allowed us yo be tempted by creating the situation and the scenario for us to fall. Your God is ultimately responsible for everything. You say He is omnipotent and omnipresent which means he knew full well just how many countless numbers of souls would be thrown into Hell before this all began and He created us anways because He is selfish and He is cruel and if you He knew before it all began every hair on every persons head that we can’t even number, He knew He would be sending them all go Hell. He kills with his own hand, he punishes and judges. He knows everything, is everything, created everything, is all powerful and He passes blame!To us! His beloved children. Christianity is a religion ripped from the beliefs of other civilizations and used to convert conquered peoples and assimilate them into society. There is nothing new about this. It is older than christianity. And as long as the masses belmentality.e are outside forces working on their souls for good or evil, people never have to seriously and intelligently think for themselves to figure out lifes amswers. You become a sheep, with no real choice at all. It is my fervent hope that someone reads this posts and starts asking the questions necesary to open up their mind and break free of the brainwash of this cult like mentallat

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