10 Spiritual Questions and Their Answers

Written by Rick Warren

voidQuestion 1: Why is there evil in the world?

If God exists, why is there evil in the world? You know, this is a difficult stumbling block and question for many people. The simplest way to look at this question is to examine God’s nature and his desire for mankind. Look at the logic. God loves us and wants us to love him back. And how could we love him back unless we have the freedom to not love?

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God could have made us like robots who do nothing more than say, “I love you. I love you. I love you.” But we’d be forced to do that and that wouldn’t be real love. Love is a choice. And if you have a choice you have to be able to choose not to love and that in itself is the nature of evil. Evil is choosing not to love. So when God gave us the freedom to choose, he gave us not only our greatest blessing, but he also gave us our greatest curse because we can choose to do right or choose to do wrong.

The reason there’s evil in the world is not because of God, but because God gave us the freedom to choose. Now the potential for love outweighs the existence of evil, because you see, evil is only going to exist for a short time, but love is going to go on forever. And all of the suffering and all of the death that we see in the world today are the result because man has chosen to make wrong choices.

God could have taken our freedom, but He didn’t. I hope you’ll use your freedom to choose God.

Question 2: Is Jesus really God?

Well when you think about it you only have three options as to who Jesus Christ was. You see, Jesus claimed to be God. He said things like, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.” He claimed to be God many, many times. Now, that means either:

  1. He is who he says He was
  2. He was the biggest liar in history or
  3. He was crazy, He was a lunatic on the order of the man who calls himself a fried egg.

You see, you can’t just say Jesus was a good man. I’ve had many friends who said, “Oh, I believe Jesus was a good man.” Well He couldn’t have been a good man and said those things He said. For instance, if I said to you, “I’m Rick Warren and I’m a good teacher and a good husband.” You might say, “Okay, I buy that.” But if I said to you, “I’m Rick Warren and I’m God and I’m the only way to heaven.” Well, you would have to make a decision. You couldn’t say I was a good person because a good person wouldn’t say that. You’d either say, “He is who he says he was, or he’s a liar or he’s crazy.”

Now Jesus didn’t just expect us to believe Him and take Him at His word. He said, “I’m going to prove the claim that I am God.” He said, “I’m going to let people kill me on a cross, then let them bury me. I’ll be dead for three days and then I’ll come back to life.” And, of course, that was the event that changed history. The resurrection of Jesus Christ. Every person since then refers to Jesus Christ, whether they believe in Him or not, every time you right a date, A.D. or B.C., what’s the reference point? Jesus Christ. Because it was the event that split history when Jesus proved that He was who He said He was, He is God.

Question 3: Do all religions lead to God?

Well now think about the logic of this. Can I go into a phone booth and dial any phone number and get home? No, there’s only one number that’ll get me home. I could be sincere, but I could be sincerely wrong. The truth is, all roads don’t lead to Rome and all roads and all religions don’t lead to God.

You see, it all depends on which direction you take. Jesus said this, “I am the way and the truth and the light. No one comes to the Father except through me.” I’m betting my life on the fact that He was right because I figured Jesus knows more about it than I did.

The Bible tells us that on the road to heaven, there are only two directions, toward Christ or away from Him. You can accept it or you can reject it, that’s your choice. You can make Jesus the Lord of your life, that means the manager, the ceo, the person in charge of your life, or you can call Him a liar, but that’s what the Bible declares.

You know a lot of people sincerely believe that even though they’ve broken God’s rules that they can earn God’s forgiveness by doing good works, by observing the Five Pillars of Islam or the Buddhist Eightfold Path or the Hindu Doctrine of Karma, for example. But I don’t get it. How will doing some good works that we should have done all our lives, make up for all the countless times we failed? You see, heaven is a perfect place and that means only perfect people get to go there. If not-perfect people were allowed in, it wouldn’t be perfect anymore. Well I don’t know about you, but I stopped being perfect a long time ago. So God came up with plan b. He came to earth in human form, Jesus Christ, and He lived a perfect life and now He offers to let us go to heaven on His ticket. And I pray that you will trust Jesus Christ and stop trying to bat a thousand because you ended up not doing that a long time ago and accept God’s free ticket through Jesus Christ.

Question 4: What’s going to happen to those people in the world who’ve never heard about Jesus Christ?

You may have heard this question put this way: “What about the person living in the jungle somewhere who’s never heard the good news about Jesus Christ? Are you christians saying that a person won’t go to heaven based solely on where he lives?” No, we’re not saying that. The Bible tells us that God doesn’t work that way. We understand that God is perfect in His love and perfect in His holiness and He’s perfectly just and fair. Therefore, it’s against God’s nature to be unfair. It’s against God’s nature to hide the ball on salvation or to condemn somebody who’s ignorant of his truth. In fact the scripture, the bible declares that God is loving and patient and not willing that anybody should perish. But He wants everybody to come to repentance, to come to know Him.

So if God is a perfectly loving and righteous God, then He will figure out ways to help people understand Him. He somehow reveals the simple truth of the gospel to people throughout the world. You know, I’ve talked to people who were missionaries in Africa who’ve told me that Jesus has revealed Himself through nature. When you look at nature you learn that God is organized, that God is creative, that God likes variety. But it’s when we look at Jesus Christ we realize that God is loving.

And as Christians we are called to tell the good news to other people. It’s God’s decision to decide what happens to people who haven’t heard about Him. But it is our decision to take that news to as many people as possible. And the bible says we will be held more responsible because we have heard and we have known that God is love, that God wants a relationship to us and that God will forgive us if we give our lives to Jesus Christ.

So, what do we do about those who haven’t heard? We tell them. First we accept God’s good news and then we tell them and we leave the result in the hands of a fair, loving and just God.

Question 5: What about all the wars that are caused in the name of Christianity?

Well first, let me say that a lot of things have been done in the name of Christianity that Jesus Christ would totally disavow. And just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn’t necessarily make him a follower of Christ, nor does it make him a representative of Jesus. It’s very, very important to distinguish between the bible kind of Christianity and the actions that have been taken throughout history by people who claim to be Christians but really didn’t know.

You see there’s a difference between religion and a relationship with God. Jesus is not interested in the religion of Christianity. He’s interested in you having a relationship to Him. Jesus never said, “I’ve come that you might have religion.” He said, “I came that you might have life and have it more abundantly.”

Now a lot of people have claimed to be followers of Christ but they’ve lived their lives contrary to His teaching. And we shouldn’t label that group Christian. But let me say this, have you ever seen a counterfeit dollar? Well, maybe you haven’t, but maybe you’ve heard of them. Why are there counterfeit dollars in the world? Well, I’ll tell you why. Because there are real dollars in the world. If there were no real dollars, there would be no counterfeits. And if you find counterfeit Christianity in the world, it must mean that somewhere there must be the real thing. The point is we don’t identify Jesus by claiming that all the things that were done in His name were done by Him. In fact, Jesus proffended His own disciples from defending themselves against the enemies when He said on a personal basis, He said, “I want you to turn the other cheek.”

So a lot of wars have been done in the name of Christianity that Jesus probably would have disavowed. The real issue is do you know Jesus Christ? You see, it doesn’t matter so much what has been done by hypocrites or phonies or false followers of Christ. What matters is do you know the real, true, genuine item? Have you ever turned your life over to Jesus Christ? If you haven’t, I would encourage you to investigate Him today.

Question 6: Is there any real right or wrong?

You know, you might have heard somebody say, “I don’t believe there’s such a thing as right or wrong.” Or maybe you’ve heard a professor say, “There are no absolutes.” Whenever I hear that I want to say, “Are you absolutely sure?” You have to ask yourself, “Is this statement even logical? Is there any right or wrong?” Because when people say, “There is no right or wrong, or it’s wrong for you to impose your morals on me,” think about it, by them telling you that, they are imposing their morals on you.

The fact is we all inheritantly know right from wrong and we just have this weird tendency to disregard it. To disregard morality when it conflicts with our desires for pleasure or personal gain. Now, sure, you might justify having an affair, but certainly you wouldn’t condone your spouse having one. Or you might justify taking something without permission, but if you were the one being robbed you wouldn’t think it was okay. You see the fact is, there isn’t a person alive today who’d come home from work and discover that their entire house had been robbed and say, “Oh, how wonderful that this burglar is able to enjoy all my things without my permission. And who am I to impose my view of right or wrong on this poor burglar?” You see how ridiculous that is? Of course.

Even those who claim there is no right or wrong have their own moral conscious, they’ve just set their own standards. Here’s a good way to determine right from wrong. Turn the situation around on yourself. Jesus said it best. He said, “Treat people the same way you want people to treat you.” You see we all know that murder and rape and lying and stealing and torture and injustice are absolutely wrong. Why? Because we wouldn’t want any of these things to happen to us. The person who would say, “there is no right or wrong,” would not agree that it was okay for them to be raped. No, when you turn it on yourself, you realize that even inside ourselves God has placed a moral conscious and that conscious tells us when we do right and when we do wrong. And when we violate our conscious, we need forgiveness. That’s why the bible said, “God sent Jesus to earth so that we might be forgiven of all of our wrong.”

Question 7: Why do I exist?

That’s the most fundamental question of life. What on earth am I here for?

Well, you need to understand God to answer that question. You see, the bible says, “God is love.” It doesn’t say He has love, it says He is love. It’s part of His nature, His character, it is the essence of His being. God is love. Now, love isn’t very valuable unless you bestow it on something and the bible says, “God made you to love you.” You were created as an object of God’s love. If you want to know why you’re taking breath right now, why your heart is beating, it’s because God made you to love you. It’s the sole reason. You were made to be loved by God and to bring Him pleasure.

Now God wants you to learn to love Him back and that’s the first purpose of your life, to get to know and love Him back. One day Jesus was walking down the street and a man came up and said, “What’s the most important command in the bible?” And Jesus said, “I’m going to summarize the entire bible in one sentence. Love God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength.” That’s called the great commandment. And God wants you to get to know and love Him back. So that means when you get up in the morning, you should sit on the side of your bed and say, “God, if I don’t get anything else done today, I want to know you a little bit better and I want to love you a little bit more.” Because if at the end of the day you know God more and you love Him more, you have just fulfilled one of the purposes of your life.

If, on the other hand, you’ve accomplished all kinds of things and achieved many, many successes in life, but at the end of the day you don’t know God better or love Him more, you have missed the primary purpose of your life. Because God didn’t put you on this earth just to mark things off your to-do list. He put you here to know Him and love Him. That’s why you exist.

Question 8: What is my purpose in life?

Well the truth is, God created you for five purposes. You see, you were made by God and you were made for God. And until you understand that, life isn’t going to make sense. When you come to this question, what is my purpose, you only have three alternatives.

  1. First is what I call the mystical approach, and that is look within. You find this in a lot of talk shows, a lot of new age books a lot of seminars. They say, “look within to discover your purpose.” The only problem is that doesn’t work. We’ve all looked within and I didn’t like what I saw. It’s quite confusing. In fact, if you could know the purpose of your life by looking within, we’d all know it by now. It doesn’t work.
  2. The second way you can try to discover your purpose is called the intellectual or philosophical approach. And that’s where you go to a seminary class or university class and you sit there with a pipe and your latte and your coffee and you ask questions like, “Why am I here? Where did I come from? Where am I going?” I once read a book by professor John Morehead, the Head of the Department of Philosophy at Northeastern University in Illinois. And he wrote to 250 well-known intellectuals and asked them, “What is the meaning and purpose of life?” These were novelists, scientists, well-known intellectuals, and I read the book, it’s now out of print, it was quite depressing because most of the people said, “I have no idea what the purpose of life is.” Some of them admitted they just made up a purpose. And some of the admitted they guessed. And some of them said, “If you know the purpose, please tell me.”
  3. You see, there’s a better answer to speculation and that’s revelation. If I were to hold up an invention that you have never seen before, you wouldn’t know its purpose. The only way you’d know its purpose was either talk to the inventor, the creator who made it or read the owner’s manual. The owner’s manual of life is the bible and your Creator is God. And it is only as you get to know God you will discover his five purposes for your life. I hope you’ll begin that journey today.

Question 9: Does my life really matter?

Well, it’s a good question. You know, today we teach our kids that we’re all just one big cosmic accident. We came from the goo through the zoo to you over billions of years. Well, if that is true, in a nutshell it teaches that your life really doesn’t matter, you’re just the freak accident of random chance, you’re complex slime and you were an accident. And if you get accidentally killed, well, of course, that doesn’t matter. And that creates a lot of our sociological problems and a lot of our self-esteem issues.

But the truth is you are not an accident. You were created by a loving God who loves you and designed you with intricate detail in your life and when you understand that God made you to love you and that God made you to be a part of His family and that God made you to last forever, then you’re never going to have a problem with low self-esteem again.

It was Bertram Russell the atheist who once said, “Unless you assume the existence of God, then the purpose and meaning of life is irrelevant.” The truth is, if there is no God your life doesn’t matter. But because there is a God, God had a specific purpose in mind when He created you and you do matter. You matter because God created you. You matter because he sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross. If you want to know how much you matter, think of Jesus Christ with his arms outstretched saying, “I love you this much.”

Now, if you had to chose between a loved one and a material thing, even if that thing was priceless, you’d chose your loved one in a heartbeat. And when you’re on your deathbed, you’re not going to surround yourself with material possessions, you’re not going to say, “Bring me my trophies. Bring me my credentials. Bring me my certificates so I can look one more time at my grade point average.” No, you’re going to surround yourself with loved ones and everybody’s going to be crying because they’re going to miss you. You see, that’s how much you matter.

Personal relationships to God and to other people are the most important thing in life. And God wants you to know Him and He wants you to have a relationship with Him because you’re worth so much in God’s eyes that he sent His Son to die for you. I hope you’ll get to know Him very soon.

Question 10: Is there a real hell and why would a loving God send anyone there?

Well, first I believe in hell because Jesus talked about it. In fact, Jesus talked more about hell then He did heaven. He said it is a real place and it is a place of eternal torment. And I believe Jesus knows more about it than either you or I.

But second, I believe in hell because logic and fairness demand it. Think of all the atrocities and evil that have been done throughout history by evildoers in this world. For God to allow those crimes to go unpunished would mean that God is not worthy of our worship and love.

Now why would a loving God send anyone to hell? Well in a nutshell, God doesn’t. God doesn’t send anybody to hell. We choose to go there when we reject the love of God. If I were to say to my right is a door heading to heaven, and to my left is a door heading to hell, if you walk out the door heading to hell, you don’t have anybody to blame but yourself.

In fact, the bible tells us that God does almost everything – well everything possible to keep us out of hell. He cared so much to keep us out of hell that he sent Jesus Christ to come to earth, to die on the cross, to pay for our sins so that we don’t have to pay for them. He wants to set us free. He wants to give us forgiveness. God made us in his image and He gave us the ultimate power to say yes or no.

Now if we chose to reject God here on earth, then we, at the same time, are choosing to spend eternity separated from Him. You see, there are only two people in the world – two kinds of people. Those who say, “Thy will be done here to God on earth” and those to whom God says, “Your will be done,” when we say, “I want to do it my way.” And if we say, “God I don’t want you in my life while I’m here on earth,” then God says, “I don’t want you in my heaven for eternity.”

You don’t have to go to hell. In fact, Jesus Christ has made it possible for you to go to heaven. Open your heart to Him and say, “Jesus Christ, I need you, I want you, I trust you and I ask you to forgive me.” And He’ll come in and save you.

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431 Responses to “10 Spiritual Questions and Their Answers”

  • Sharon Sharon says:

    to Rune– I am sorry you found it amusing it was meant NOT to be funny. I am sorry you couldn’t ask questions growing up for me growing up I wasn’t allowed to doubt that was then. you forgive and move on. God gave Israel the ten commandments because they were disobedient and there had to be laws so Israel would obey them God made laws for us to obey them like road laws and just regular laws we can’t experience it, it would be every man for himself and that wouldn’t be good I think. I have no clue on who Adrian Peterson is. we care about you and will keep praying for you.– Sharon

  • Rune says:

    That is so much Sharon. The one that had me laughing is ‘He proved himself Holy by letting no sin go unpunished’. So the test for holiness is the infliction of punishment on one’s children? Then Adrian Peterson is a misunderstood messiah.
    And god saved us from his wrath? WTF? Why would an omniscient being even get mad? He made the rules and is supposed to know everything, so if he’s mad it’s because he made himself mad. That’s a mental problem. Just stupid. We’re here on Earth to take an life experience. The negative-sides, and the positive sides. Why would God make these rules? Why shouldn’t he allow humans to find it out? We’re treated by an angry right now to obey the rules – while we can figure it our ourself… yes, it cost some time.. yes… it’s hard… but, hey… ever or never i say.. ?? There’s no way the (ONENESS) is being separated from the rest of it’s creation. Just saying….

  • Rune says:

    That is so much Sharon. The one that had me laughing is ‘He proved himself Holy by letting no sin go unpunished’. So the test for holiness is the infliction of punishment on one’s children? Then Adrian Peterson is a misunderstood messiah.
    And god saved us from his wrath? WTF? Why would an omniscient being even get mad? He made the rules and is supposed to know everything, so if he’s mad it’s because he made himself mad. That’s a mental problem. Just stupid. We’re here on Earth to take an life experience. The negative-sides, and the positive sides. Why would God make these rules? Why shouldn’t he allow humans to find it out? We’re treated by an angry right now to obey the rules – while we can figure it our ourself… yes, it cost some time.. yes… it’s hard… but, hey… ever or never i say.. ?? There’s no way the (ONENESS) is being separated from the rest of it’s creation.

  • Rune says:

    So why do we believe in the “Commandments” but ignore what the very same book of EXODUS also says? This is “GOD speaking” correct? So why do we only pay attention to the parts that we believe are acceptable, cherry picking those parts, and ignore the rest? Are we hypocrites?

    This is just a quick blog, nothing fancy, no real research, just a quick post to demonstrate how easy it is to show the outright ridiculousness of the Bible. Even when it comes to the most basic teachings of the Bible, the things that they teach children on their fist day in church, the Ten Commandments, it’s just plain easy to show how inconsistent this book really is, right from the very beginning. It’s much easier for me to say, without being a hypocrite, that the Bible in it’s entirety, simply lacks all credibility. Yes, this is my opinion, but everything said is based upon FACT, straight out of the Bible, in quotes. It’s all in black and white. And don’t try to tell me that I’m thinking in black and white. These are very clear contradictions in the Bible. And very clearly “God speaks” of putting people to death. Plain and simple. I’m not manipulating anything or twisting anything around, I’m simply taking words that “God spoke” directly from the Bible. So why should I be ok with these things? Why should anybody be ok with these things? And why do people just conveniently ignore those things? I spent the first 16 years of my life going to a Christian church almost every Sunday, and never once did anyone mention any of this stuff. How come? If it’s necessary to cherry pick and choose parts and ignore other parts, what’s the point in professing any kind of belief in this book at all? Why believe in anything it says if it’s that full of obvious flaws? You’re going to trust a book like this? Use a book like this for inspiration? If anyone who believes in the Bible has any intelligent responses I am very interested to know what you have to say. If there is actually some believable explanation out there, I don’t care who you are, please by all means feel free to respond. I’m not looking to argue I’m looking for intelligent conversation and input on this. But something I don’t want to hear is excuses. “Stop taking it so literally, Kenny” I’m not supposed to take “God speaking” in literal terms? Is there some other way I can take it, if it’s not literal? And you teach the Ten Commandments in literal terms. Why isn’t the rest supposed to be taken literally? And don’t play the “faith” card I don’t want to hear that, I want some rational intelligent replies. I’m not going to have “faith” that the Lord God wants the majority of the population of the planet put to death for not obeying the Ten Commandments. That’s psychotic. So what am I supposed to have faith in? If I have “faith” in anything it’s that the Bible is NOT the word of God. I have an enormous amount of “faith” in that.

    And I have another set of questions which far outweigh anything that I’ve said so far. If the New Testament really does “trump” the Old Testament, then why does the Ten Commandments still count? Afterall, they do come from the Old Testament as well. And if the Ten Commandments still count, then why not the rest of the book of Exodus? Picking and choosing again? And here is the ass kicker. Even if you can come up with acceptable answers for those two questions, do you really honestly, in your heart, believe that “God” would say anything like what’s in the above quotes? Ever? Do you believe that our almighty supreme enlightened master “God” could speak of such things? Ever? Killing people, putting people to death, flooding the entire planet and murdering everything here, etc etc etc If you honestly believe that our “God” is like that then you have a very distorted and warped view of reality. Period. You need to have your head examined if you think that our “God” really would say any of the things that I’ve listed above or do anything like what is suggested in the story of Noah’s Ark (which is a completely impossible myth, by the way), killing everyone in a flood. Seriously. So everyone on the entire planet earth at the time was evil and deserved to be murdered in a huge flood huh? If you think that’s the kind of “God” that we have and if you believe in this story and the rest of what I’ve said here then you really, REALLY need to re-evaluate your beliefs. I’m sorry but I don’t believe in the “I’m gonna kill everybody that doesn’t do what I say” type of “God” That just doesn’t sit right with me. That’s complete and total nonsense.

  • Sharon Sharon says:

    to Rune- good comments from you. if you read judges one it says people did evil and did their own thing not paying attention to God or anyone. so for rape they did it we are not robots and for the pigs in the new testament the evil spirits asked JESUS to go into the pigs and the pigs ran into the water. JESUS allowed it. that is why the people of the village asked JESUS to leave and for the death of JESUS he died to save us from our own sin. and for God creating evil I think that there is more to that than just that. for Ananias and Sapphira in acts 5 they agree to tell peter that they were giving the whole thing to God but they were lying to God as peter said. you are not lying to me but to God they were doing evil. it is our own sin that is why maybe God purges sin from us also in the old testament God kills people because of their won sin they had the ten commandments that was a strict thing to obey and God didn’t take any thing from them God did tell Moses that he wanted to kill all of them but Moses repented for them and said kill me so God in GHIS mercy said NO. I know you don’t believe any of this and don’t believe in prayers but I am praying for God to open your eyes and see God is a God of love I know you don’t believe this God does love you with an everlasting love. he is sad for you not coming to HIM but we do have our own choices so HE gives that to us I have a brother that doesn’t believe either he says he is an atheist he is having fun in this world for a season.– Sharon

  • halbcust says:

    Does God killing people make Him a murderer?

  • halbcust says:

    To Rune comments,

    Your comments assume much and have no scholarly foundation to base them on. For example you say maidservant is sex slave. On what basis? What we call slaves today is far from what it once was. Read this artical.
    Does a good judge not look at the facts from both perspectives before giving his judgment? In all of your comments I have seen none of that.

  • Rune says:

    Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

  • Rune says:


    Matt 5:28-32 – Jesus says marriage to a divorcee is adultery; and a man who ogles a woman has already committed adultery; and that you must cut off your hand or pluck out your eye if it offends.
    Matt 6:19-34 – Jesus says don’t save any money and don’t plan ahead.
    Matt 8:32 – Having no regard for private property, Jesus destroys a herd of someone else’s pigs.
    Matt 10:34 – Jesus says he brings not peace on earth but “a sword.”
    Matt 19:12 – Jesus says the best way for a man to be sure of getting into heaven is to have himself castrated.
    Mark 11:13 – Jesus destroys a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season.
    Mark 14:4-7 – Jesus says it is more important to anoint him with precious ointment than to give to the poor, who will always be here. (Why not just get rid of poverty?)
    Mark 16:18 – Jesus says anyone who believes in him can play with venomous snakes or drink poison without harm. (This act has been often tried, with rather unsatisfactory results.)
    Luke 12:47-48 – Jesus says it is permissible to whip slaves.
    Luke 14:26 – Jesus says no man can be his disciple unless he hates his parents, siblings, wife, children, and himself as well.
    Luke 19:27 – In telling a parable, Jesus insinuates that anyone who denies his rulership must be killed.
    John 15:6 – Jesus says anyone who doesn’t believe in him must be burned.
    Acts 5:5-10 – Ananias and his wife Sapphira were killed for withholding money from the church.
    2 John 1:10-11 – A Christian is forbidden to offer hospitality to a non-Christian, not even to wish him “Godspeed” on parting.

    1 Cor 11:3-10 – Women are inferior “because man was not created for woman, but woman was created for man.” Every woman “while praying or prophesying” must have her head covered “because of the angels,” meaning the spirits (it used to be believed that women’s hair attracts spirits).
    1 Cor 14:34-35 – Women must not speak in church, which is a shame for them to do. If they want to ask questions, they must learn from their husbands at home.
    Eph 5:22 – Wives must submit to their husbands as they would to God.
    1 Tim 2:11-15 – A woman must not teach, or hold authority over a man, but must “learn in silence with all subjection,” because “Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (So, being gullible is the original sin.)
    1 Tim 5:9 – Paul says the only women acceptable by the council of elders are devout, monogamous women over the age of sixty.

    Gen 1:11-19 – God made all green plants on the third day of creation, but neglected to supply the sun (on which both plants and “days” depend) until the fourth day.
    Gen 6:6-7 – Because a few people displeased him, God “repented” having made the world, and decided to destroy all life on earth.
    Lev 11:5-6 – God thinks rabbits are cud-chewing animals.
    Deut 22:5 – All cross-dressers, or women who wear pants, are “abominations.”
    Deut 25:11-12 – A woman who seizes a man’s genitals, even to defend her husband from an attacker, must have her hand cut off.
    Deut 33:17 – God believes in unicorns.
    Matt 5:22 – Jesus says anyone who calls another “fool” will go to hell, but then he does it himself (Matt 23:17).
    1 Tim 2:9 – Christian women are forbidden to braid their hair or wear jewelry.
    James 5:14-15 – Prayer by the elders of the church is the only sure cure for sickness. (Christian Science, anyone?)

    Which version of the Ten Commandments do you prefer from God’s inerrant Word? Exodus 20, Exodus 34, Deuteronomy 5 or Deuteronomy 27?

  • Rune says:

    3. SLAVERY

    Gen 9:25 – God cursed Ham, son of Noah, with perpetual slavery for the crime of seeing his father naked. (Ham was formerly considered the ancestor of all “blacks.”)
    Ex 21:4 – A male slave may marry and have children, and may go free after six years; but his family remains the property (or hostages?) of his master.
    Ex 21:7 – A man may sell his daughter as a sex slave.
    Ex 21:20-21 – A man may be punished for beating a male or female slave
    to death, but if the victim survives the beating for a few days, then
    there is no penalty.
    Lev 19:20 – When a man has sex with a female slave (or “bondmaid”), SHE must be scourged.
    Eph 6:5 – Paul says slaves must obey their masters “with fear and trembling.”
    Titus 2:9 – Paul says slaves must obey and please their masters.
    1 Tim 6:1 – Paul says slaves must “count their masters worthy of all honor.”

  • Rune says:

    2. RAPE

    Ex 21:7-8 – A father may sell his daughter to be a “maidservant” (or sex slave) who must “please her master.”
    Num 31:7, 18 – God orders his warriors to kill every living thing in a captured city, except the virgin girls, who are to be raped and turned into sex slaves.
    Deut 21:11-12 – If a warrior likes the look of a female war captive, he can take her to be one of his “wives.”
    Deut 22:28-29 – A man who rapes a virgin may take her for a wife if he pays her father 50 shekels of silver. (Yet, a bride found not to be a virgin must be stoned to death – Deut 22:20-21).
    Judges 5:30 – The spoils of war include “a damsel or two” for every man.
    Judges 21:12-23 – God’s warriors killed all the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead except for 400 virgin girls, who were taken as slaves. If there are not enough girls to go around, God’s warriors may raid neighboring towns for more to rape.

  • Rune says:

    ”That is amazing love!” Believe it yourself? You *** or what? The biblical god personally kills a total of 371,186 people, not counting his slaughter of every living thing in Genesis 7. The biblical god also orders the killing of a total of 1,862,265. Personally i can’t call this a (God of love) or (justice god) Deut 22:21 – A bride found not to be a virgin must be stoned to death.
    Deut 22:22 – Adulterers must be killed.
    Deut 22:23-24 – A girl who is raped within city limits, and fails to cry out, must be killed.
    Deut 28:22-28 – If you don’t obey God’s commandments, he will punish you with consumption, fever, extreme burning, blasting, mildew, hemorrhoids, the scab, the itch, the botch of Egypt, etc., as well as “madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart.”
    Josh 6:21 – God’s warriors destroyed Jericho and killed every man, woman, child, and domestic animal.
    Josh 8:25 – God’s warriors killed 12,000 people in the city of Ai.
    Josh 19:47 – The children of Dan wanted more room, so they destroyed the whole population of Leshen and took their territory.
    Judges 1:17-18 – Judah and Simeon utterly destroyed the populations of Zephath, Gaza, Askelon and Ekron.
    Judges 11:39 – In accord with God’s law, Jephthah was forced to burn his virgin daughter to death as a sacrifice. Judges 15:15 – God enables Samson to kill 1,000 men with the jawbone of an ass.
    Judges 20:46 – At Gibeah, Benjamin’s men killed 25,000 people and burned every town.
    1 Sam 6:19 – God kills 50,070 people for trying to peek into the Ark.
    1 Sam 15:3 – God commands the destruction of Amalek: “Slay both men and women, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
    2 Sam 6:7 – God kills Uzzah for touching the Ark, even though he was trying to save it from falling off its oxcart.
    1 Kings 18:40 – God commands the slaughter of “prophets of Baal”.
    1 Kings 20:36 – Because a man didn’t “obey the voice of the Lord,” a lion was sent to kill him.
    2 Kings 2:24 – God sent bears to tear apart 42 children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head.
    2 Kings 10:25 – God commands the killing of a multitude in the temple of Baal.
    2 Kings 19:35 – God’s angel killed 185,000 Assyrians in a single night.
    1 Chron 21:14 – God kills 70,000 Israelites with a pestilence.
    2 Chron 15:13 – Any man or woman who refuses to “seek the Lord God of Israel” must be killed.
    Job 1:15-19 – God arranges the killing of Job’s children, servants and animals.
    Isa 13:16 – God promises that all the Babylonians’ children will be “dashed to pieces before their eyes;” their wives will be raped.
    Isa 45:7 – God says “I create evil.”
    Jer 48:10 – Killing for God is mandatory; God curses anyone who “keepeth back his sword from blood.”
    Jer 50:21 – God commands that the people of Merathaim and Pekod be “utterly destroyed.”
    Ezek 9:5-7 – God calls for purging in Jerusalem: “let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women… fill the courts with the slain.”
    Ezek 35:8 – God promises to fill the mountains, hills, valleys and rivers with slain men.
    Hosea 13:16 – God promises to have Samaritan infants dashed to pieces, and pregnant women will have their bellies slashed open.
    Nahum 1:2 – God is jealous, full of vengeance and wrath.
    Zeph 1:3 – God threatens to destroy everything, man and beast, birds and fishes.
    Zeph 1:18 – “The whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy.”
    Zeph 3:6 – God brags that he has destroyed many nations.
    Zech 13:3 – A false prophet must be killed by his father and mother.

  • Elkay Elkay says:

    Jamie, I totally agree with your confidence “that when all things are revealed the judgments of God will be shown to be wholly appropriate in every situation.” All of us have been in situations that seem “unfair” but when Abraham asks the rhetorical question, “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”, then God in His own Scriptures has taken it upon Himself to do what is right and I have found Him faithful to do this many a time. Some situations drag out but they end “right”.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Rune, while I could take issue with some of your examples here (e.g. God did not allow Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac but had another purpose in mind) but I admit that the judgments that God has given for the sin of individuals, groups and sometimes whole nations has been severe. That doesn’t change the reality that as Supreme Authority He has the right and responsibility of issuing justice. Without the unlimited insight that He has no one can claim that His judgements are unjust. But given the evidence of His willingness to take our penalty upon Himself in order to rescue us from the destructive path we have chosen, it seems that His character is consistent in love and that His judgements can be trusted.

    Remember that the severity of the penalty is directly related to the value of the one who is wronged. If I burn the banner that hangs outside a school there is a consequence but it is minor compared to the consequence of burning the flag of my country. That’s because the symbolic significance of a countries flag is huge. My rebellion against God is infinitely abhorrent because of HIs infinite significance and value. He would cease to be just if He refused to punish my rebellion. That’s why His sacrifice is so significant, because He is of infinite value and yet still loves me enough to sacrifice Himself. That is amazing love!

  • Rune says:

    The biblical god personally kills a total of 371,186 people, not counting his slaughter of every living thing in Genesis 7. The biblical god also orders the killing of a total of 1,862,265.

    Gen 22:2 – God accepts human sacrifices (including that of Jesus, later).
    Ex 12:29 – God kills all the firstborn in the land of Egypt.
    Ex 15:3 – God is a god of war.
    Ex 21:15, 17 – Anyone who strikes or curses a parent must be killed.
    Ex 22:18 – Every witch must be killed.
    Ex 22:19, 20 – You must kill anyone who “lieth with a beast,” or who worships any god other than Yahweh.
    Ex 31:15 – Anyone who works on the Sabbath must be killed.
    Lev 20:10, 13, 27 – You must kill adulterers, homosexuals, wizards and spirit mediums.
    Lev 21:9 – Any priest’s daughter who fornicates must be burned alive.
    Lev 24:16 – Blasphemers must be killed.
    Num 16:27-33 – God caused the whole tribe of Korah — men, women, and children — to be buried alive.
    Num 21:3 – God caused the destruction of all the Canaanites.
    Numbers 31: The slaugher of the MidianitesNum 31:7-35 – God orders Moses to kill the Midianites, making sure to slaughter not only the men but also the boys and females, except for the 32,000 virgin girls.
    Deut 3:4 – God is pleased that his warriors destroyed 60 cities.
    Deut 7:16 – You must kill all the people God delivers into your hands, and “thine eye shall have no pity upon them.”
    Deut 13:5 – Any prophet or “dreamer of dreams,” who serves another god, must be killed.
    Deut 13:6-9 – If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tempts you to worship other gods, “thou shalt surely kill him.”
    Deut 13:13-15 – If the people of any city worship other gods, you must slaughter them all, including their cattle.
    Deut 17:5 – Any man or woman who worships other deities of sun, moon or stars must be stoned to death.
    Deut 18:20 – False prophets must be killed.
    Deut 20:16-17 – God commands complete destruction of all Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, and “thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.”

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Rune, as always you make your point with passion. I appreciate that.

    I am not sure that you are giving all of the evidence about Satan and evil in the world. As far as Satan never killing anyone there is the account of how he killed Job’s children in order to get Job to curse God. As far as demanding worship, the religious practices of the people in Canaan prior to Joshua and the people of Israel’s conquest of that land was atrocious with ritualistic rape and child sacrifices. This was part of how people worshipped Satan and his minions.

    Yes there are examples of the judgement of God on individuals and whole groups of people, including the destruction of the world through the Flood, but you characterize those as unjust where God identifies them as the acts of justice. If we lived in a society where there was no penalty for crimes we know that life soon becomes chaotic and highly destructive. God, as the Creator and Sustainer is the primary authority and judge. It is His responsibility to execute judgment on those who violate the law. We should expect nothing less. You may not agree with the judgments that God makes but you also need to admit there are aspects to the circumstances that you know nothing about, whereas nothing is hidden from God. I think we all have been in situations where we disagreed with the punishment someone received and then new information was given about the circumstances that radically changed our opinion. I am fully confident that when all things are revealed the judgments of God will be shown to be wholly appropriate in every situation.

    You ask for a comparison for who is more evil, so let’s compare. On one hand we have the eternal God who is able to create all that is, who, out of love, allowed Himself to be killed for those who had rejected and rebelled against Him in order to restore us to the original plan for which He created us. On the other hand, you have a created being who was not satisfied with the position He was created for and rebelled against his Creator in order to be an authority unto himself, deceiving countless others to follow in his folly with the lie that they too can “be just like God” by being independent of God’s authority. I ask you, who is evil?

  • Rune says:

    The only evidence we have to conclude Satan’s utter evil is God’s word, and frankly, God’s word isn’t worth too much. He’s shown a remarkable inconsistency in his actions and words, and he’s hardly above lying or dishonest conduct. Straight after giving Moses the first set of Ten Commandments (which included “Thou shalt not kill”), he let Moses go ahead and order the Levites to go on a mass-murdering rampages, which they did, but only after he talked God out of killing all the people! According to 2 Thessolonians 2:11-12, God will send a strong illusion to people so that they will believe lies, so he can condemn everyone to Hell. After giving Moses the Ten Commandments, God orchestrated a litany of atrocities through isoltated commandments that are simply too great in number to list here. I suggest checking out the The Skeptic’s Annotated Bible to see for yourself, specifically this section. These events are detailed in Exodus 32. In 2 Chronicles 18:22, God lies to prophets. Why should anyone take his word at face value if he has no problem with lying to us for no reason other than to have an excuse to condemn us to Hell?

    Who’s more evil? God or Satan? How can we determine this? Well, it’s a simple matter of looking at the actions of both God and Satan. Who’s commited more evil acts? Who’s done more harm to humanity? Who’s been the most oppressive? Is Satan really as bad as the Christian Smear Campaign makes him out to be?

  • Rune says:


    •God takes away Adam and Eve’s eternal life, thus commiting the first murder, and holds their descendants responsible and visiting Adam and Eve’s punishment down on their children. In today’s moral standards, the sins of the father die with the father.
    •God destroys all life on Earth in a great flood, except for a drunk (Noah) and his family, for failing to worship him.
    •God’s tenth plague upon the Israelites was the unjustified murder of all firstborn sons in Egypt, which undoubtedly included little children.
    •Before sending the plagues to Egypt, God “hardened Pharaoh’s heart” so that he wouldn’t let the Israelites go, so he could have an excuse to visit horrible plagues upon them, like boils, killing cattle and murdering all firstborn sons. (Exodus 4:21)
    •God orders the Levites to kill their “every man and his neighnor” for worshipping another god. This cost 3000 lives. (Exodus 32:27)
    •God sends a plague to the Israelites, apparently feeling that mass-butchery wasn’t enough of a punishment. (Exodus 32:35)
    •God kills Onan for refusing to impregnate his late brother’s (whom God also slew) wife and instead “spilling his seed on the ground.” (Genesis 38:8-10)
    •God kills the entire populations of Soddom and Gammorah (again, including women, children and infants) for practicing certain sexual techniques.
    •God gives all Philistines hemorrhoids in their pubic areas. (1 Samuel 5:9)
    •God kills over 50,000 people for looking at an ark. (1 Samuel 6:19)
    •God kills 70,000 people because King David decided to have a census. (1 Chronicles 21:7-14)
    •God approves of slavery, and instructs owners to beat their slaves. (Proverbs 29:19)
    •And, finally, God makes sure that if you are guilty of even the smallest transgression, you shall suffer endlessly for all eternity, following a dramatic homecoming for Jesus, who will be extremely pissed off at everyone for putting him to death, even though it was just the Romans and even though he knew what was going to happen beforehand, and he could have easily avoided it by using his power as God to perform a miracle and prove who he was. (See the entire book of Revelation)


    •Satan, like Prometheus, gave knowledge to humanity by giving Eve the fruit from the forbidden tree. Because of Satan, humanity gained knowledge of good and evil, according to Genesis. Since we couldn’t have possessed knowledge of good and evil before eating the fruit, Adam and Eve couldn’t have known that eating the fruit was evil, so it seems a little harsh to punish them as severely as God did. Satan gave humans true capacity for moral judgment, unlike God, who simply expected everyone to mindlessly obey his orders.
    •There is no biblical record of Satan engaging in the murder of torture of any human being, unlike God, who is guilty (and proudly guilty) of commiting genocide.
    •There is no biblical record of Satan ever ordering someone to kill someone else, unlike God, who has repeatedly demanded the deaths of those who commit even the smallest of offenses.
    •Satan will not be holding a massively dramatic ceremony full of blood and death for the return of his son to Earth. God apparently will.

    It doesn’t take a mathematician to add up and compare God and Satan’s respective body counts. God has, after all, killed billions of people in a great flood. Satan never did anything like that. What was the only thing Satan did “wrong”? He rebelled against God, but wouldn’t you? Look at what kind of a God he is! He needlessly murders people in nearly every book and passage of the Old Testament! He created an entire race of people for the sole purpose of catoring to his own ego, and then gets mad when we don’t live up to our appointed role in life or question one of his decisions! He is a ruthless, dictatorial, narcissistic, sociopathic mass murderer. If I go to Hell for not worshipping him, so much the better. I’d rather spend eternity with Satan, someone who hasn’t treated the human race like disposable garbage, someone who has given knowledge to humanity rather than trying to suppress it.

    It’s time to stop this needless slandering of Satan’s name. Satan has done nothing to deserve it. He hasn’t killed anyone, publicly exonerated slavery, demanded our worship or threatened us with eternal damnation for not doing his bidding. It is God who is guilty of all these crimes. Satan’s done nothing but rebel against a repugnantly unjust authority figure, and he gets eternal damnation and association and blame for all evil on Earth! Meanwhile, Martin Luther King, Jr. gets a holiday named after him, and Satan was far more courageous that King was. After all, Satan stood up to an all powerful narcissist who made it clear that he never would change his mind on any issue. King at least had a democracy to work with. The Christian Smear Campaign toward Satan is completely unwarranted. Maybe, before criticizing Satan, they should look at the God they worship. Is Satan really a bad guy? Certainly not in comparison to God. In fact, I’d much rather have Satan running things. He just can’t be worse than God.

    Only deluded christians and muslims blame everything on Satan.

  • Rune says:

    Satan, like Prometheus, gave knowledge to humanity by giving Eve the fruit from the forbidden tree. Because of Satan, humanity gained knowledge of good and evil, according to Genesis. Since we couldn’t have possessed knowledge of good and evil before eating the fruit, Adam and Eve couldn’t have known that eating the fruit was evil, so it seems a little harsh to punish them as severely as God did. Satan gave humans true capacity for moral judgment, unlike God, who simply expected everyone to mindlessly obey his orders. When we realize we’re all one, big family from the same ONENESS – there’s no change that something will go wrong. EVER.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    So the goal of ACIM is to become the true MASTER of our destiny? That sounds a lot like the promise that Satan makes to Adam and Eve when he entices them to eat of the fruit so that they can “become just like God.” (Genesis 3:5) Jesus modeled a way for us to live that follows the direction of God in every action, word and attitude. By trusting in God’s plan for my life, rather than trying to become MASTER of my own destiny, I actually live out the purpose for which I was created.

    The world is full of examples of people who have sought to be MASTERS of the own destiny and it always turns out badly. I think we need more people submitted to God’s plan for them. If you look at the universe it is pretty strong evidence that He knows what He is doing. At least a whole lot better than what i could come up with.

  • Rune says:

    We don’t have to focus on the energy of Jesus when Jesus and religious symbolism, doctrines, beliefs and laws are everywhere. The subconscious mind is flooded with Jesus and Christian concepts more than any other religion on the planet. The other thing to consider is that just because a Being shows up and say that he is Jesus doesn’t make it true. Just because someone sees a Being that look like Jesus doesn’t make it true either. You have to keep in mind that there is a lot of mind and frequency manipulation going on by forces who don’t want humanity to develop their own mind powers and become the true MASTER of their destiny..

  • Elkay Elkay says:

    Rune, purely out of God’s grace and since childhood, I have been able to personally experience each member of the Trinity in their own different way. After many years, I “woke up” and realized what had been going on in my life and I then journaled 52 “extraordinary coincidences” that could only have been orchestrated by a loving and powerful God Who knew and controlled the future. Every aspect of my life has been positively affected by these events many of which involved interventions with other people who had no idea what was going on and the role they were playing. I am a Christian based on faith, not intellectual arguments. I think a praying Grandmother had a lot to do with this and I both praise and thank God for her. That’s my story and I am willing to bet my life after death on it. Amen.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Rune, I appreciate your use of the Bible to understand the characteristics of God. It certainly does give us something concrete to have confidence in. The Bible does describe God as being present in all of His Creation but at the same time He can not be associated as Creation. The biblical authors often refer to God’s transcendence over Creation as being “high and exalted”. So in the commissioning of Isaiah the prophet God is described as “seated on a throne, high and exalted” (Isaiah 6:1) At the same time we see God presence in all He has created when He is worshipped for how “the whole Earth is full of His glory” (Isaiah 6:3) Another passage that gives us that understanding of God’s transcendence is Psalm 113:5-6 “Who is like the LORD our God, who is seated on high, who looks far down on the heavens and the Earth?” Jesus also made that distinction when He said, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.” (John 8:23)

    That kind of balance of God being transcendent and immanent fits for a Creator who is actively involved in His Creation: He is greater than what He has made but He is personally invested in the activities of what He has made. To say that God is all life forms diminishes His perfection because we see the imperfections in the world around us (not to mention our own imperfections). Those imperfections exist because God has allowed us the freedom to choose to follow Him or go our own direction. Because we have abandoned Him and the purpose for which He created us we see decay and devastation around and in us. If God was all life forms those imperfections would not exist because He is purely perfect.

    You say God does not want to be worshipped but again, that diminishes His perfection. God’s desire to be worshipped does not come our of a insecure ego that needs to be bolstered by inferior creatures, but rather, because He is perfect it is just right to acknowledge His awesomeness. It reminds me of a commercial I saw recently from a car manufacturer. This dad is driving to amazing places with his son but the boy is unimpressed by what he sees. When someone is unimpressed by the Grand Canyon we know there is something wrong with that person. The Grand Canyon doesn’t need a person to be awed by it in order for it to be awesome; it just is awesome! God doesn’t need us to worship Him because He just is perfectly worthy of all praise.

    How does ACIM maintain an understanding of the awesome perfection of God while at the same time associates Him with the imperfection that we see all around us?

  • Rune says:

    To Elkay: In the traditions of most ancient civilizations there can be found a legend concerning a flood of such enormous proportions that it is believed to have covered the whole Earth. Such was the destructive force of this flood that few land animals and plants survived it. For readers in Western society the most famous version is the story of Noah and the Ark as recounted in Genesis, the first book of the Bible. Although it may be the best known, the account of Noah’s adventure is neither the only nor the oldest such legend.

    Legends of a flood can be found in the folklore of such diverse places as the Middle East, India, China, Australia, southern Asia, the islands of the Pacific, Europe, and the Americas. But the best-known flood legend–that on which the story of Noah is based–had its origins among the peoples of ancient Mesopotamia in the Tigris-Euphrates river valley.

    Excavations in Mesopotamia have led archaeologists and other scientists to conclude that a number of serious floods occurred there between 4000 and 2000 BC. It is possible that one of these floods was so destructive that it made a lasting impression on the population and became a subject for the ancient literature of the period.

    In a fully developed form, the Mesopotamian flood myth appeared in the ‘Epic of Gilgamesh’, one of the first literary masterpieces, which relates the adventures of a hero-king of Sumer. The earliest versions of the epic derive from the first part of the 2nd millennium BC. The story of the flood is told to Gilgamesh by Utnapishtim, the counterpart of Noah in the story. Advised by the god Ea that his city is to be destroyed by flood, Utnapishtim is told to build a ship for his family, servants, and animals. After a seven-day flood, the vessel comes to rest on a mountaintop. The wrath of the gods has been appeased, and Utnapishtim and his wife are granted immortality.

    Parallel legends were told in other parts of the Middle East at an early date. The Mesopotamian version was probably brought to Canaan, the land where the Israelites settled, by the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The tale was reshaped by later Hebrew writers into a narrative about God and his purposes for mankind. In this version it is the whole Earth that is to be flooded. Only Noah, his family, and the animals he collects are to be saved. The flooding lasts 40 days, and afterward Noah’s Ark settles on top of a mountain.

    In Greek mythology the flood was first mentioned by the poet Pindar in the 5th century BC. In this legend Zeus has decided to destroy the Earth. Only King Deucalion and his family are saved by taking refuge in an ark well stocked with provisions.

    Religious texts from the 6th century BC in India tell the story of Manu, meaning “man,” who is warned by a fish about a coming flood. In the legend Manu builds a boat and saves himself.

    In China the flood myth had a different emphasis from the legends told in the West. The flooding of the land from time immemorial was seen as a hindrance to agriculture. The floodwaters were made to recede through the labors of a savior-hero named Yu the Great, who successfully dredged the land to provide outlets to the sea for the water. Thus was the great central river valley of China made suitable for agriculture and the development of civilization.




    Extent of flood Global Global
    Cause Man’s wickedness Man’s sins
    Intended for whom? All mankind One city & all mankind
    Sender Yahweh Assembly of “gods”
    Name of hero Noah Utnapishtim
    Hero’s character Righteous Righteous
    Means of announcement Direct from God In a dream
    Ordered to build boat? Yes Yes
    Did hero complain? Yes Yes
    Height of boat Several stories (3) Several stories (6)
    Compartments inside? Many Many
    Doors One One
    Windows At least one At least one
    Outside coating Pitch Pitch
    Shape of boat Rectangular Square
    Human passengers Family members only Family & few others
    Other passengers All species of animals All species of animals
    Means of flood Ground water & heavy rain Heavy rain
    Duration of flood Long (40 days & nights plus) Short (6 days & nights)
    Test to find land Release of birds Release of birds
    Types of birds Raven & three doves Dove, swallow, raven
    Ark landing spot Mountain — Mt. Ararat Mountain — Mt. Nisir
    Sacrificed after flood? Yes, by Noah Yes, by Utnapishtim
    Blessed after flood? Yes Yes

    The Epic of Gilgamesh is, perhaps, the oldest written story on Earth. It comes to us from Ancient Sumeria, and was originally written on 12 clay tablets in cunieform script. It is about the adventures of the historical King of Uruk (somewhere between 2750 and 2500 BCE).

    The translator chose to eliminate Tablet XII for personal reasons, with support from many literary, archaeological, and linguistic experts because it appears to be more of a sequel to the first 11 tablets, containing a story about Enkidu volunteering to retrieve some objects that Gilgamesh dropped into the Netherworld.

    This translation is based on the “standard” Akkadian “edition”, but is filled in with excerpts from the Old Babylonian where necessary.

    I have proofread this set of documents extensively, but should you find any typographical errors in it, please let me know.

    To Jamie: Alpha/omega: God is not a separate life form. God is all life forms. God is life itself and the balancing force that controls it. The Bible says the same thing. It says, “God is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, that which was, that which is and will be, the almighty.” It cannot be said better than that.

    What God does do: I am as I am. Now we know where God is (everywhere), what God looks like (everything), what God does (everything), and how to be with God (overcome our animal minds). Everything except for our false mental-self is God, and God is that also in an indirect way. When you love your enemy, which the Bible says to do, you love the animal mind. Remember, love means to pay attention. You need to pay attention to the animal mind to overcome it. You have to see it for what it is to not be able to stand it, and do what you have to (learn and spread the truth and life) to overcome it.

    Divine relationship: God is only in human form when we let God manifest through us. We represent God and the mind. God can live through us, and we can live through God. God gives us life, and we give God a physical body. It is truly a match made in heaven. The truth makes God become flesh through us.

    Jesus said, “He will abide in you and will live in you.”
    Kings: Why would people assume that a God would be like and like the same things that a vain, self-absorbed, insecure and egotistic, earthly king would like? When the Bible was written, kings were all powerful, so naturally, they concluded that God must be like an even more powerful king. They thought that if a king likes to be praised and told he is great, so would a God.

    I cannot believe in a God that wants to be worshiped all the time.
    Friedrich Nietzsche
    People drag the ignorance of the past into the present, which makes them even more ignorant than the people in the past were. I can understand why primitive, ignorant people in the past would believe and do the things they did, but why would modern people still do the same thing? Kings were the worst people that ever lived; they were the ultimate serial killers. It is insane to believe God is like them. Who would really want to spend eternity with a being like that?

    Burn people: Many religions believe hell is a place where God sends people to burn forever. I would not want to be with someone that burns a cat, let alone someone that burns millions of people forever. No decent person would. Even the people that realize that hell is just a metaphor and think hell is really just a place where you will suffer forever are no better. No one should suffer at all, let alone forever. A loving, all-powerful God would not let anyone suffer.

    According to the Bible and religion, ninety-nine percent of the creatures that God created are going to hell. Only a few priests and preachers are going to be in heaven. Why would an all powerful God of love do that? He wouldn’t, so the Bible, or the way that it has been interpreted, is not true.

    Everyone is God manifested in some form or another but there is a power greater than God or the Gods. Its the programs that teaches people that God only exist outside of them or that they need some messiah to save them but the truth is that we are Gods and we have the power to save ourselves. Life is a test but its there for us to find out who and what we really are and step into our own Godhood but until we do, most will keep looking for a Savior or some external God and there will be plenty of Gods and programs there for them to follow and believe in.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    So what evidence do you have that we are spiritual beings, a piece of God?

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Rune, I am sorry that it seems like I am lying to you but it is actually true. When any long comment gets sent in, the WordPress filter automatically puts it into pending. On occasion some messages are so long that the moderator will have to delete them, but, as you can see, often they are approved and published. If you want to test out my explanation take a long post that you have written and try and post it. Then take those same words and break it into a series of smaller posts (20 lines or so). You will see that the longer post is delayed for moderation but all the smaller posts will be published.

    You input is welcome here. No one is trying to silence you. As long as you remain respectful in your comments you can continue to participate in the conversation.

  • Elkay Elkay says:

    Rune, it is unfortunate that some well-intended folks have missed the message of Galatians, particularly 5:1-6, concluding that the thing that really counts for Christians is faith demonstrating itself in love for God and neighbor. Jesus affirmed this when He said that the entire law and the demands of the prophets are based on the commandments to love the Lord God and your neighbor as yourself. (Matt 22:36f)

    The book you read about 4,000 year old tablets, can you please share the title? I am very curious about the stories, the language on the tablets, who translated it and how was it authenticated? I ask because its hard to see how a collection of stories from such diverse cultures as Sumerians, Canaanites, Moabites, Philistines and Mesopotamians can be internally consistent, have fulfilled prophecies, and be historically and archaeologically accurate.

  • Rune says:

    In my many years of research and study, I have found the bible is not the so-called “word of God” but is a man-made book of witchcraft, hence all of the numbers therein. This is used liberally by top Jews in power to enslave the world. Jewish ritual murder subliminally ties into the Christian mass/service where the nazarene is the child sacrifice; “eat me and drink me” “this is the body of christ…” This son of jewhova, sacrificed by his father…i.e. murdered. In addition, the entire mass/service focuses upon the Jews, Israel and their fictitious history, creating a further subliminal tie. Believers are under a very powerful spell.

    Most of us here know Christianity is a hoax, but to what extent is another matter. It is a hoax of catastrophic proportions. A study of Medieval Paintings reveals a cry for help. Many of the artists of the period left messages in their work. There are quite a few paintings- all of Christian religious matter (this was not an option of the artist as the Catholic Church had total control, and nearly every work of art during that period had to be of Christian religious themes, lest the artist be charged with “heresy” which meant torture and death) that reveal flying saucers hovering over the nazarene and other signs that this foul religion was a hoax and the people knew it, but were severely oppressed. Grey clouds obscuring the Sun in the painting “Calling of the first Apostles” by Domenico Ghirlandaio, 1481, reveals a dismal atmosphere that indicates a sad occasion and says plenty. Carlo Crivelli’s painting of the Annunciation in 1486 blatantly reveals a UFO hovering over the virgin and beaming a stream of light into her head. Many artists alluded to flying saucers, by painting lenticular clouds in the skies of their works.

    Leonardo’s famous “Last Supper” painting displays the apostles of the nazarene in four groups of three, indicating the signs of the zodiac and the implication is- he knew Christianity was a hoax. Many other paintings of the period have hidden messages in them concerning the hoax of Christianity, if one takes the time to study them.

    There have been several reports of which I posted links with the details at the bottom of the page, of the Smithsonian Institute dumping barges full of ancient artifacts into the Atlantic Ocean. Many of these were Egyptian in origin and found in the United States. Anything that disputes the Christian religion comes under intense scrutiny. Since the Jews, Christians and Muslims claim the world to be only approximately 6,000 years old, there has always been a conflict with the truth in promoting this lie.

    Anyone with even half a brain knows there were no “Weapons of Mass Destruction” in Iraq. In spite of hundreds of worldwide protests against the invasion and the U.N.’s giving Iraq a clean report, George W. Bush pushed relentlessly for the attack on Iraq. Of course, it is just fine for Israel and the USA to have all the weapons of mass destruction they please with no outside interference whatsoever. We all know Mr. Bush is a “born again” Christian.

    The real reason behind all of this seems to point towards the destruction of important ancient relics and documents that prove Judaism, and Christianity are lies. Saddam Hussein believed himself to be the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar. With this belief, he spent some $500 million dollars during the 1980’s attempting to reconstruct Ancient Babylon, the capitol of Nebuchadnezzar. Over sixty million bricks were created to replace the walls of Babylon with the engraving “To King Nebuchadnezzar in the reign of Saddam Hussein.” ¹

    There were many ancient temples and relics buried beneath the sands of Iraq that were proof of the origins of humanity. Whether they are still there given the invasion is unknown. American and British GI’s were given the go ahead from the top brass to destroy and/or loot whatever they pleased from the Iraqi museums.

    Saddam Hussein was also working on restoring the Ancient Ashurbanipal Library, which was the earliest known collected and catalogued library in the world. The texts therein originated before the flood. British archeologists in the mid 19th century at Nineveh excavated some 25,000 cuneiform tablets assembled by King Ashurbanipal which nearly all of are now in the British Museum.

    In April of 2002, the Iraqi archeologists asked the British Museum if they would allow casts of the tablets to be made. Though copies were made in the past of certain tablets, this would have been the first time any significant number would have been made available as copies.

    The proposed reconstructed library at Nineveh would have held copies of all of the tablets from the British Museum and was planned to be a center for scholars and a tourist attraction. Next door to the library was to be a center for cuneiform study. Plans were also made to excavate one of the wings of King Ashurbanipal’s Palace in Kuyunjik Mound where it was hoped that thousands of other buried tablets would be found.

    There are some 10,000 archeological sites scattered across Iraq and most of them have not even been touched. According to archeologists, thieves have broken into the Iraqi Museums repeatedly and have stolen Sumerian artifacts (This occurred before the war as well). Expensive gold jewelry and ornaments were left behind. What they went after were the ancient records in the form of cylinders and cuneiform tablets.

    U.N. relief workers and foreign diplomats were several times accused by the Iraqi government of smuggling these artifacts out of the country. In summer of 2002, an Iraqi landlord was cleaning a vacant Baghdad apartment that was formerly occupied by a foreign diplomat. The landlord found two cartons of archeological fragments. The Iraqi government never named the diplomat or his country.

    “Saddam assuredly knows that the release of documentation proving Judaism and Christianity as derivatives or copies of an ancient Sumerian religion could have a devastating effect on global affairs.”²

    “When George W. Bush stood before the Washington Monument in January 2001, during his inauguration he borrowed a surprising image from the past. Referring to America twice he said: And an angel still rides the whirlwinds and directs this storm.”

    Throughout the ages after the manifestation of Judaism and Christianity, every attempt has been made from mass murder to the destruction and razing of entire cities and the genocide of entire peoples to keep the lid on this lie.

  • Rune says:

    You keep banning me account huh? Think i’m crazy or something? There are plenty of other accounts here that have more answers than mine – and yet, they succeed to write more than – without that spamfilter keep banning them? I call that total (BS) and lies.

    I don’t say the entire Bible is false. Think of it as a gold mine. There is gold in it, but much of it is dirt. Most people cling to the dirt and can’t even see the gold. They are spiritually blind. These are the ones who are so obsessed with observing the law that ignore the entire message of Jesus that was love. They think they have found the truth and dislike everyone else who does not agree with their understanding.

    The message of Jesus can be condensed in the parable he made in Matthew 25. This is not just a nice parable. It shows Jesus knew about our divine essence. He knew the only way to love God is by loving his creatures. God is in all beings. When you love someone or even an animal, you love God. If you think you love God while your heart is filled with hatred of his creatures, you love only your fantasy. God is here, among us. He is in your spouse, in your neighbor. He is in all living beings. When you cheat someone, you cheat God, when you feed someone you feed God and when you mistreat an animal you mistreat God. The universe is the reflection of Divine. You can only love God by loving sentient beings that reflect his consciousness.

    Over 20 years ago I read a book containing stories written on tablets unearthed in 1950s that had been buried for 4000 years. Many of the stories were the same you find in the Bible. It is clear that the Bible is a collection of ancient stories of Sumerians, Canaanites, Moabites, Philistines and Mesopotamians.?

    We are all spiritual beings, connected with each other and with the universe. As spirit I am eternal. I am not a creation of God. I am a piece of God, in the same way that a molecule is a piece of the ocean and like the ocean from which it emanates, it is eternal. A better analogy is to say I am a copy of God. He made us in His image. This is not unique to humans. All living and sentient beings are made in the image of God.

    We are all one. The separation between us is illusory. We all come from the same Source and are made from the same essence. We are divine beings.?

    We don’t have to focus on the energy of Jesus when Jesus and religious symbolism, doctrines, beliefs and laws are everywhere. The subconscious mind is flooded with Jesus and Christian concepts more than any other religion on the planet. The other thing to consider is that just because a Being shows up and say that he is Jesus doesn’t make it true. Just because someone sees a Being that look like Jesus doesn’t make it true either. You have to keep in mind that there is a lot of mind and frequency manipulation going on by forces who don’t want humanity to develop their own mind powers and become the true MASTER of their destiny.. I have found that if there’s something that’s heavily pushed on society as a whole, its most likely the work of deceptive forces. The end game of this life is to deceive as many souls as possible – the path that is most supported and followed by the masses is the path of least resistance. A path of least resistance when it comes to expanding consciousness and our greater self, should always be considered a possible path of deception.

    The other thing to consider is that there are parasitic forces who play on the ignorance and fear of others… Everything that’s saying that they are ‘god’ or ‘jesus’ is not real.

    These beings are as unto spiritual parasites that feed off human divine soul energy. This is how religion comes into play. Many beings are posing as “gods” and through love, worship and fear they feed off our energy and they become powerful. Many divine souls have awaken to the truth and have stopped giving these parasites our energy.

    These fake “gods” who are beings who don’t have divine souls as ours include the angry Jewish god “Jehovah” also ” Allah” and the Christian god “God the Father” and many other fake entities who are liars and fakes feed off human divine soul worship and fear.

    This is why many ancient texts say you must fear their “god” or be punished. They do not want you to learn the secret that they are not the ones who are inferior and constantly need energy to survive.

    The answer to your question is pretty simple… The reason why the Bible has power over negativity within a believer’s house is because ‘they’ believe it to be so. In many ways, the Bible has good wisdom and truths to live by but it also has negativity and deception behind it… This is why a negative person can draw on the Bible and use it to suit them and their will and a positive person can use it and draw from it as well! When one’s conviction, belief and will is so strong and trusting in such a tool, we can do some pretty amazing things. Those who know of the power that humans have are teaching the masses to externalize their power, so that they never truly grasp or understand that the Christ, God and power was and is within them all along.

    Billions of people have collectively put their trust, faith and belief in the Bible and the cross and because of this – both manifests what they trust and believe. The human mind is very powerful indeed but sadly, most cannot begin to conceive that it is people who give the Bible and even the so called rulers of this dimension power – not the other way around.

  • Rune says:

    I don’t say the entire Bible is false. Think of it as a gold mine. There is gold in it, but much of it is dirt. Most people cling to the dirt and can’t even see the gold. They are spiritually blind. These are the ones who are so obsessed with observing the law that ignore the entire message of Jesus that was love. They think they have found the truth and dislike everyone else who does not agree with their understanding.

    The message of Jesus can be condensed in the parable he made in Matthew 25. This is not just a nice parable. It shows Jesus knew about our divine essence. He knew the only way to love God is by loving his creatures. God is in all beings. When you love someone or even an animal, you love God. If you think you love God while your heart is filled with hatred of his creatures, you love only your fantasy. God is here, among us. He is in your spouse, in your neighbor. He is in all living beings. When you cheat someone, you cheat God, when you feed someone you feed God and when you mistreat an animal you mistreat God. The universe is the reflection of Divine. You can only love God by loving sentient beings that reflect his consciousness.

    Over 20 years ago I read a book containing stories written on tablets unearthed in 1950s that had been buried for 4000 years. Many of the stories were the same you find in the Bible. It is clear that the Bible is a collection of ancient stories of Sumerians, Canaanites, Moabites, Philistines and Mesopotamians.?

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Rune, I appreciate your enthusiasm for this issue. Sorry again for the delay in your post being made available. As I mentioned earlier the filters for this article automatically put any comment that is extraordinarily long into pending to guard against SPAM messages. You can avoid the delay by writing less or even breaking up your comments into several posts.

    Also, can I ask that you keep your comments respectful? You can disagree with someone else’s position without maligning their intelligence. We want this to be a place of sharing ideas and discussing divergent views.

    I don’t find it odd at all that Jesus is not mentioned by historians of His day. There could be a lot of reasons why Philo Judeaus never included any reports of Jesus. He was a Jew and the religious authority were highly opposed to Jesus. Shortly after Jesus’ death they began a program of eliminating all Christians. It is not unheard of that a ruling majority manipulates what is recorded about its enemies. An argument from silence is not a shaky foundation for any position.

    Also to say that there is no contemporary record of the existence of Jesus ignores the documents of the Bible. Historically they have proven accurate time and again on locations, people and events with specificity that pinpoint the actions and movements of people being recorded so that it would be easy for false descriptions to be proven wrong by others who lived in the area at the time. Consistently historical scholars have found the biblical records to be accurate when looking for locations and details about historical events. The documents themselves were written well within the lifetimes of those who had lived the experiences, again giving opportunity for falsification. We have copies of some of the original documents that were made within 50 years of the originals. There is a huge volume of textual evidence that allows us to compare and identify scribal errors and additions which gives scholars 99% confidence of what exactly those original manuscripts contained.

    You also question why the New Testament (the part of the Bible that was written about Jesus and the beginnings of the Christian Church) were written in Greek when the common language of Palestine was Aramaic. Greek was the common language of the Roman Empire and if a person wanted to communicate with the largest audience using Koine Greek (Common Greek) was the best way to do that. Everyone would have been able to communicate at some level in Koine Greek because it was the language of commerce and government.

    You identify that in some of the later historical documents that provide evidence of the life and impact of Jesus there are some disputes. That is true that some scholars have evidence that those documents (Josephus primarily) have been tampered with. But at the same time, those same scholars also concede that while the words may have been changed or added to, originally there were references to Jesus by those writers. And to dismiss those writers because they were not eye-witnesses to the accounts sets a standard for historical documentation that would eliminate the majority of what we study as ‘History’. How many of the historical textbooks that you study were written by eye-witnesses to the accounts? Historians study, research, and interview others in order to piece together the history we have. Much of what Josephus wrote happened hundreds of years before he was born. That doesn’t diminish in the least the value of his records for today’s historical study.

    Like I said Rune, I appreciate your passion for this issue. You have obviously spent a lot of time looking into this issue. What is your background with the claims of Christianity? Were you involved in your early years? What got you studying this issue so deeply?

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