What happens to the soul after suicide?

Written by Lynette Hoy NCC, LCPC

soulsuicideYou are not alone in your struggle with suicidal thoughts.

What happens to one’s soul/spirit after suicide?I recently had a close friend commit suicide and I am so worried that she will still not be at peace with herself. She had an anxiety disorder due to a troubled childhood and although she loved life, her friends, and her family, she just could not be independent as she could not relax.

We struggled together with this for so long. She was a creative and loving individual who had traveled much and lived away from us for a few years, so she had known independence. She feared for her sanity – she explained to me that she wanted to die because she actually did love herself and the constant thoughts going through her head would eventually turn into madness. I dearly love her and couldn’t bear to think that she will eternally go through this struggle. I am searching within myself to find meaning in my loss.

Advice: It’s obvious that you were and are a very close and loving friend. You have suffered with your friend right up to the end and beyond. You cared about her welfare, her emotional and spiritual state. But, now this tragedy has occurred and no matter what you or anyone tried to do – she has passed into eternity.

First of all, I want to tell you that your friend’s suicide and death was not anyone’s fault. Her suicide was the result of her choice and her psychological instability. Don’t let false guilt and self-blame take over. You and others tried to help. But, this woman is the one who made the choice despite all your pleadings and intervention.

Secondly, you need to grieve your friend’s death. You will go through several stages of loss: shock and denial, protest and dealing with the reality of her death, anger, confusion, depression and finally, reorganization. It’s normal to grieve. It’s important to care for yourself. You may need counseling. Go to your pastor for prayer and support. Read your Bible, especially the Psalms and the gospel of John. Jesus talks about God’s love for you and for the world, His plan to give you eternal life (John 3:16) and abundant life (John 10:10). Scripture will bring you comfort and hope for the future – hope for eternity.

The Bible does have stories about people who committed suicide but, it doesn’t talk about where their souls went – to heaven or to hell. But, Jesus promised: “I am the resurrection and the life – he who believes in me though he may die – yet shall he live.” John 11:25 If your friend trusted in Christ as her Lord and Savior – she is in heaven today. How do I know? Because Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me.” John 14:6

Jesus claimed to be God, to speak the truth and the words of God. He died on the cross for the sins of the whole world and then, rose from the dead on the their day. Over 500 witnesses saw the resurrected Christ!
Because of these facts – you can have great hope for the future! You can trust that Christ loved your friend greatly and will judge her justly.

Suicide is a devastating experience to those who loved its victim. Suicide happens because the person is so depressed and has not received the appropriate treatment – mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually.

But, suicide, though a sin, can be forgiven – at the foot of the cross where all sin is wiped away when one believes in the Savior who sacrificed Himself to redeem the world.

You will never feel comfortable with what happened. A life was lost. But, you can trust that God can bring good out of this circumstance. God can become more personal to you in this time of suffering. God can give you courage and make you a person of character with strong values. God can demonstrate His love and comfort to you during your pain. God can give you more wisdom to help others who have suffered.

This world is a broken place – a place that is not our home. We are just passing through. Your friend could not stand the emotional and mental turmoil she experienced. But, you can. You and God can go on.

She ended her stay on earth and God allowed her to do it. He did not cause her to do it because He is not the author of evil. He does allow people to make choices which are against His will. But, you can find hope and courage to discover God’s will for your earthly life. You can leave a legacy that will give others hope for tomorrow and for eternity.

If you find you are depressed and anxious because of this – see a counselor. You can find a counselor. God bless you as you discover what He has in store for you even in the midst of this loss.

Read Scott’s story of playing Russian Roulette.

Take a look at your life. How would you describe it? Contented? Rushed? Exciting? Stressful? Moving forward? Holding back? For many of us it’s all of the above at times. There are things we dream of doing one day, there are things we wish we could forget. In the Bible, it says that Jesus came to make all things new.

What would your life look like if you could start over with a clean slate?

Living with hope

If you are looking for peace, there is a way to balance your life. No one can be perfect, or have a perfect life. But every one of us has the opportunity to experience perfect grace through a personal relationship with God through His Son, Jesus Christ.

You can receive Christ right now by faith through prayer. Praying is simply talking to God. God knows your heart and is not so concerned with your words as He is with the attitude of your heart. Here’s a suggested prayer:

Lord Jesus, I want to know you personally. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. I open the door of my life to you and ask you to come in as my Savior and Lord. Take control of my life. Thank you for forgiving my sins and giving me eternal life. Make me the kind of person you want me to be.

Does this prayer express the desire of your heart? You can pray it right now, and Jesus Christ will come into your life, just as He promised.

Is this the life for you?

If you invited Christ into your life, thank God often that He is in your life, that He will never leave you and that you have eternal life. As you learn more about your relationship with God, and how much He loves you, you’ll experience life to the fullest.

Read more about faith
Read more about depression, anxiety, and fear
Read about grieving
Read more about suicide

Lynette Hoy, NCC, LCPC

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486 Responses to “What happens to the soul after suicide?”

  • Sharon says:

    to lee I know this is not the place but can you go to the web site of powertochange or truthmedia and then go the link of talk to a mentor and ask for me Sharon I am praying for you still– sharon

  • Lee says:

    October 7, 2016

    Dear Sharon,

    I cannot get your webpage: blogposts/2012/02/05/words of comfort up, where I have been writing to you. I called your tech number, no one called me back.
    I reported it by email, using my husband’s old email, and no reply. I guess I can’t write to you any more. Lee

  • Sharon says:

    to Alfred thank you much appreciated and God bless you — sharon

  • HollowLife says:

    The final resolution. To Be in any state, in any form, in any shape, in any dimension, is of time and experience…and therefore impermanent. When you come to recognize that you are keep fulling the cycle of being and becoming through your own mental/prayer, then you will come to realize that it is you that keeps the wheel/circle going, binding yourselves in existence and interdependence co/arising within the wheel of life and death. To resolve this matter of life and death, of being and becoming, there must be a full STOP and reverse mental activity towards liberating factors and consider yourselves to be in a state of dream and that it is time to awake up…throw your scriptures down the drain and shake yourselves until and to the point that you start waking up – and until death descends and clears all this mental garb. Why should there be prayer…? Life and death are present for all that exists and the entire animal/kingdom complains not accept for men that through the manufacturing of his religious beliefs has sought himself to be the special God’s creation. If anything to be saved is saving yourselves from this present mentality and be done with this ignorance once and for all, End of self… The inevitable has to happen whether prayer or no prayer for men and as well as for God and Godsssssssssssssssssss. At least we face it with innocence and not attachment. THE END.

  • Alfred says:

    Thank you Tom and Sharon for your posts of Sept. 28th. It is Spiritually stimulating to see what others believe, and have the Holy Spirit guide me to see how that agrees with the Bible. May your words be a blessing to many as they have been me. Also praying HollowLife, Alfred.

  • HollowLife says:

    To Tom & Sharon: What will happen if anyone reaches beyond the mind? beyond any dogma and believe system? You see, Here is where you reach hopelessness and desperation, the mind cannot cope with it because the mind is a false thing that was created/developed by conditions and time. When conditions deteriorate, the personal mind takes hold to the believe in God, and by so doing, all types of visions manifest and the person thinks is God’s doing but instead is your own mind holding on to its visions. This is actually the fall from paradise/eternity and have now become subjects to creation and conditions once we have identified ourselves with what we feel and think. Now beyond mind you cannot think and therefore the mind has no need to think for the simple fact that you don’t have any physical form and needs to continue living being a subject to conditions. The fact is that conditions have become deceptive to our mind and therefore we are bound by our own thought form. The cross is the symbol of putting an END to mind and conditions for the final resurrection… And Here is the realization that you are not a mare human any more and neither can you know what you really are, so you remain beyond knowledge. This is actually for the very few fortunate/unfortunate to see beyond the veil of BEING. Too much prayer without any progress of mind is actually useless. Man has to tear himself up to reach his final destiny and resurrection from life/death to eternal, beyond life and death, and therefore beyond shape and form. As empty space, beyond any corruption and mortality. See to it if you can think beyond your mind and knowledge for a change. TO BE OR NO TO BE. To BE/NOT is the End of All suffering and conditions.

  • Sharon says:

    to tom you welcome my pleasure– sharon

  • Tom Tom says:

    And thank you Sharon for your always kind and thoughtful posts. Thank you too for being a prayer warrior!

  • Sharon says:

    to tom thank you I was hoping someone else was going to respond to hollow life too so thank you I will pray for hollow life but not engage anymore with this person thank you– God bless you tom– sharon

  • Tom Tom says:

    Sharon–
    HollowLife is a perfect example of Colossians 2:8. “See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.”

    It is best to pray for but not engage with these poor folks. They live in complete deception, and as Francis Schaeffer wrote, “below the line of despair.” In other words, without any hope whatsoever in their lives and no hope of anything beyond death. They will only discourage and confuse others.

  • HollowLife says:

    Sharon, I don’t want neither to encourage nor to discourage but stating as the facts of life become noticeable in the sense that we feel, think, and know, and also affirm that whatever we feel, think, and know, is validated as truth, and since this mentality has established this affirmation system, we have become the reality of our minds affirmation as a collective consciousness in supporting this system and believe. Now, Sharon, What is it that you are praying for me? I am gone, completely gone, and never to reestablish my/Self on any world foundation, on any system, on any believe. I have taken myself apart and discarding my mind as not valid and whatever it is that appears is actually not my concern. Before I came to be I was not…now that I am I cannot be. Mind was given to me and mind will be taken away, and since all these happenings come and go, EMPTINESS PERVADES.(((((((0)))))))

  • Sharon says:

    to Hollowlife I am sorry you don’t agree with me. I am still praying for you even though you don’t believe in prayer– sharon

  • HollowLife says:

    Sharon, When someone comes to realize that life itself is a big problem, then one knows that, “ME/YOU/GOD,” is the source of the problem. We cannot solve any problems in life by being, because we are the problem itself that raises every problem which we are trying to solve. By believing in God is the first problem that arises out of the need to be protected and continue to exist. The fact is that to “BE” in any shape or form is to consume energy as food/water and sustain being… Once this mentality evolves through conditions and sensuality, the Ego/Soul is born. As long as we long for life there is always going to be massive problems and no God can solve. We become the problems to ourselves and to others. NOTE: The only solution to the problem of life is that Mankind has to be taught how to extinguish his Being, to become nonexistent. WHEN I AM NOT, WHERE IS THE PROBLEM…??? It is very simple but no one wants simplicity for the fact that no one wants to be EXTINCT. I should also say that this God/mentality for saving the world is slavery… There’s nothing to save! Death is the greatest release from all conditions… Eternal peace…but to reach it one must revolt his own being and de/condition nature itself…Hence the cross.

  • Sharon says:

    to Hollow life I am sorry you don’t believe in God and you think your life is hollow I know you don’t believe ion prayer but I am praying for you. God is our life HE loves you I know you don’t believe that and maybe you got hurt from God or from Christians and I am sorry you did— sharon

  • HollowLife says:

    What is the deference if the lips are restrained while the insides are boiling? With all the scriptures in the world did men got any peace in his mind/heart? If God created men in His Image and men acts the way he does who is to blame? Don’t be hypocrites, you know what you have in mind but just from fear of God you don’t want to express it openly and that others wont criticise you. Men is just a vain, the outside is pretending and the insides are dead bones. You can witness it all around you and throughout the world. As for me, I reject both God and the world, because before I came to Be/created, I wasn’t aware of neither God nor the World and therefore I would not like to be caught in this storm of ignorance… I remain as the ZERO ground, empty and Void of all appearance. You can praise/sing and dance and may God grant your wishes too, according to your faiths, but as for mine, my wish is to rest in eternal peace and that comes when the “I” EGO has disappeared. All the animals pretend not, they are what they are, but God and Men are the real pretenders and therefore deceivers.

  • Elkay says:

    Tom, thank you and I will do that. A verse that comes to mind is Prov 10:19 . . . . “In the multitude of words sin is not lacking, but he who restrains his lips is wise.”

  • Tom Tom says:

    “For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.” Romans 1:21-22

  • HollowLife says:

    C/O: Tom & Elkay: To continue further, {to validate, to assume/presume}, God gives free will but if you don’t obey and do as he says than you are condemned to judgement. Like Adam&Eve being expelled from the garden after the apple. Look, God did not asked me before I was born to be a part of his play/plan and neither whether I wanted to be baptized or not…All these things were hidden from my sight and done to me without my decision. Now anybody that follows their bibles and scrolls are bound to this very low mediocre mentality and dooming themselves actually to unconsciousness and ignorance… and therefore you have no will to change because your lives are being led/lived by the bible. Please do not teach your children how to think and what to believe because you will be raising up psychopaths, ghost and living/dead humans. The bible and all scrolls should be burnt and never recovered for the real evolutionary human consciousness…And this is the time and change that has to be made. You talking about change but you are holding on to your filthy scriptures and unable to change. You should shut the church down and return the bible to God and tell Him to seat on it. Sorry for my expression but what has to be done has to be done for that great change and no God must interfere with any one trying to reach the Absolute truth.

  • Tom Tom says:

    Elkay–
    I’ve started reading Francis Schaeffer’s book “The God Who Is There” and it seems HollowLife is some sort of existentialist. While I can’t explain it like Schaeffer does, the basic premise seems to be that they create their own world out of their own definition of philosophy, and at the end of the day they realize they can’t even really believe in what they believe in because they’ve only made it up. Theirs is also only one step along a progressive line of thought that leads to defeat and ultimate non-existence in their thinking.

    Get yourself a copy of the book. That’s only one small part of Schaeffer’s overall view of odd influences on historic Christian thinking.

  • HollowLife says:

    Elkay: Mankind brings his own misfortunes by his own mind and thinking through the collective un/consciousness of his believes. Mind is a cosmic reality throughout existence and we all use the same mind, like the air we all breath. It’s up to you to bind yourself by the word of God or to release yourself from binding…hence the free will. If we use our mind/thoughts beyond the physical needs of survival, then the delusions begin, and come to assume, that God has a purpose beyond the physical world and we are all eager to fight for what we believe, like all the religions of the world are on a battlefield and most likely for power prosperity and also fornications. I am sure that you are aware of such things as well. I don’t see the point of being part of the world period, never mind of being a religious person. For what? I was most of my life being led astray by conditions of friends and relations and have seen the futility of being related and gave everything up as not valid. It creates the karmic relationship that binds you in the cycle of life and death. I want a complete release from the yoke – and God/World affairs and also from existence period. I want to annihilate myself to the point where I no longer have the need to exist, and this is my will and contentment to just disappear and be no more. What would you do if a member of your family decides to drop out and be a homeless and never have any contact with you again? Are you going to judge him/her through biblical interpretations and wage psychological wars? You see, life brings misery through accumulation and dependence that you can’t let go, and this brings suffering and strife, and the need for God to protect you and guide you has now become necessary because you don’t want to lose grip from your believes, and also you want others to be by your side. This is actually selfish, just like the rest of the world. As for me, I have nobody and I need nobody, just contemplating over my death and how I should disappear for ever. I would like to relocate myself before conditions entered my mind and this is Mine last hope to think on my own and not wait for a savior.

  • Elkay says:

    Hollow Life, if I was sincerely interested in knowing what happens to our souls when we die (of whatever cause), I would go to the Author of Life and see what He says. And that’s the reality that once we die, there is a judgment of our life . . . and one of the things we are judged for is our “idle words”.

    You may know that I am quoting from Heb 9:27 and Matt 12:36 and you may discount Scripture. But I urge you to give due diligence to God’s Word and you will come to know that it is the product of an Intelligent Designer who also created this cosmos and humanity, against infinite odds. Thus it is a grave mistake to “entertain and stimulate” when serious matters are at hand.

  • HollowLife says:

    Just to entertain and stimulate you further of “The ultimate truths”. As All things arise like/wise is their fall… but due to a great deception mankind has manufactured the soul. The fall is great and men is living superficially and artificially in a mind trip that has separated himself from the unity of life… trying to establish himself permanently by assuming of being religious, and therefore has acquired the rights to claim permanency due to his long search and arduous prayers… thus… for begging their God. This ingrained mentality has become gangrenous/degenerative and is now sucking on it’s own thought form. A parasite that has arisen from mud…feeds on mud… and as well feeds the mud with his own demise and inevitability >> but incomprehensible to his intelligence, creates just for his own destruction, and fights amongst himself. This is the Split/God intelligence that will save humanity or the world. Please note: I am not with you, I have departed, even though my body remains, I have annihilated my mind and I find no place for comfort and contentment anywhere in Being/Existence. I leave you to your freedoms, and if you somehow can raise your intelligence enough, and see your Great Fall, try and change, and completely change, with wholehearted intentions, and find ways to disappear. Since Death is imminent why give yourselves to ignorance and fights and remain in this darkness of a deceased world of beauties and charms which ll’eventually perish? If the intelligent and sincere looking for a way out and don’t reproduce with their nature anymore, and somehow others follow, that will be a great blessing for a start to change peoples minds not to reproduce, but to vanish from existence altogether. That will be a purification and a great liberation. See to it that it’s one’s responsibility for one’s own liberation and not to save the world… for the fact that there is no OTHER. Saving one’s self = saving the World.

  • HollowLife says:

    ///Tom says: September 19, 2016 at 4:27 pm
    That’s what I thought . . . . shifting sand./// When The worldly mind comes to a tiny Glimpse of the Absolute/Reality, that’s when the real shifting begins…and what a Glorious shifting to know that all our yearnings where just worldly and vain… and as this realization strikes your intelligence, the sadness arises in the heart, knowing that all our miseries comes from our own ignorance in holding on to illusions…That;s the time when mind arises from the ashes.

  • Tom Tom says:

    That’s what I thought . . . . shifting sand.

  • HollowLife says:

    Tom says: September 19, 2016 at 10:08 am
    HollowLife–

    You are a man of many words and much thought. But I’m curious–As of yet, you have not given one spec of the reason for why you believe any of what you have written. What is your basis for your beliefs? Where did you receive this information? Why should anyone take these things seriously? And ultimately, what are you trying to prove to anyone?/////>>>>>>> Within the empty sky the clouds appear and suddenly lightning and thunder tear their way through space and as the heavy load of accumulated energies discharge, eventually the sky clears up and then a rainbow appears, and within few hours everything has just disappeared…Where did it came from and where did it go? So like/wise with life, all that appear must disappear. There isn’t any space or basis for any belief, and nothing can be taken seriously as God saving the world, and ultimately, I am not trying to prove, but on the contrary, I am trying to disprove everything that has arisen as not being me nor mine. We are just stuffed/bags filled with energies that are constantly discharging and once the final discharge is over, then see for yourself what remains of YOU… Once the conditions have disappeared why should mind remain? Now that the physical body is gone how do you want to use your mind and for what purpose? You see, this is where the entrapment weaves it’s nest, around the soul, and is bound by mind time and becoming. Not unless we come to realize our mistake that in establishing ourselves on the impermanence and trying to hold on to what we have thought to be the gift of God, is nothing more then the illusion that was implemented on us by the church, and what ever other forces, to blind us from the truth and remain their slave. Then only you shall be free to decide, and that’s up to you to decide which path to follow…or not follow… We are only exchanging mind/thoughts, the rest is yours to evaluate.

  • Tom Tom says:

    HollowLife–

    You are a man of many words and much thought. But I’m curious–As of yet, you have not given one spec of the reason for why you believe any of what you have written. What is your basis for your beliefs? Where did you receive this information? Why should anyone take these things seriously? And ultimately, what are you trying to prove to anyone?

  • HollowLife says:

    ///Alfred says: September 18, 2016 at 3:41 pm
    I have found this discussion stimulating and interesting indeed!
    The God who crated everything, made living beings (heavenly as well as earthly) to have a mind and a will of our own,/// I would not say that God created everything, God arose also through creation as well and probably has manipulated and interfered with creation, and believe you/me, that God does not give you will, it’s built up within your foundations, but the will that you’re thinking is an autonomous and part of nature to do the free thinking and also be a slave to the world/mind/time, but besides the mind/will, there is also a mindless will that cannot be determined neither by God. God is of time and with limits, the timeless will comes on random and becomes obvious that the world cannot contain you any more, that’s when you ‘ll be leaking out on all directions, but until then, you will have Christ as the comforter and your savior, just patching yourself up through the old religious, God/saving/method, so you wont be terminated. You must learn how to take yourself apart daily until you depart from existence and reach the essence of mind’s annihilation so the immortality is affirmed by the awareness of mind itself, that all existence is impermanent, and that the only truth that can save us is to jump out of existence and be no more…but if you have too many things to accomplish and all types of relations to adore, then you just out of luck. This is the timeless will that you must consider so you can change your focus and divert.(((((0)))))

  • HollowLife says:

    First things first: Before any God/life/nature/mind/time, came to Be through this evolving process, there IS/WAS, and always BE, the immense and endless dome as empty space… All things arise thereof, no name can be given, it is for what it is… but in itself is timeless and therefore God/mind/life, cannot ever reach it. Life has arisen throughout cosmos due to this endless immensity, but the reality of cosmos/creation is of time and therefore an illusion in itself… Illusion because it has descended from the absolute and has now become life and death…EXISTENCE /NON/ EXISTENCE. The one side of the coin is to BE and the other side is to BE/NOT, but both are illusions of mind. Knowing the Absolute is when this understanding arises in our mind that before this personal/mind, Is the mindless, timeless, impersonal, beyond the shadows of time, of life and death, hence the parable. Those who will lose their life will gain eternity and those who will gain their lives, sticks and stones. God cannot save any one if we look for a savior, mind has to annihilate itself to the point where it burns itself out by the Absolute. Therefore Those who are near the absolute are near the fire. They have transcended the world, God Self and time. We are not only Wo/Man stuff bound by mind time and features and decay and death. If anyone looks forward to be saved by God, He can mostly use you for His plan and purpose and always to be recycled through reincarnation and always bound by time, missing the Absolute, until one day you get so fed up with this Highs and Lows of being that never end and you decide by yourself to put an end to your life, but that is missing out, God and the world has deceived you and led you astray from truth, which means, that the church loses you and eventually others too… that is losing business and their comforts that you offer them, so the truth is always being kept in dark and way from the masses so the glory of any church becomes their phony God. Men is just the property of higher and hidden forces and is being kept in bondage and slavery to feed their mostly needs. On the other hand, the Absolute/Truth is but one beat away that can also take time to accomplish… End their Game projst, rejecting all that you have known and ever told and just give yourself to rest and Death, in lose/death, you gain the Absolute truth. But you must at least experience, the felling that once you drop the concerns of the world and discard all the conditions and knowledge that was implemented in your mind, you came to realize that the only saving there is, is from the World and God and also from yourself. Once this realization has grown wider and deeper then the truth shall burn away all ignorance and then the glory of your mind will come to feel that beyond this world is the eternity, just beyond the experienced/mind; The Absolute Truth as Eternal No/Thing… but complete within itself. THE GRAN TAKE OFF…AND THE FINAL DESTRUCTION OF BEING…END GAME…

  • Alfred says:

    I have found this discussion stimulating and interesting indeed!
    The God who crated everything, made living beings (heavenly as well as earthly) to have a mind and a will of our own, meaning all are free to make choices. Satan, was the top angel, and he chose to rebel against God. There was war in heaven and Satan with his followers (approximately 1/3 of all angels) was cast down. Now, you can be certain that Satan hates God; yet he cannot defeat or harm God in any way. Satan can, however harm mankind, the “apple of God’s eye”. That is the only way Satan can now antagonize, hurt, or harm God. The war goes on, and we are caught in the middle of it!
    The good news, however, is that God (as I know Him) will never allow us to be tempted or harmed beyond our ability to resist. That often includes God (with His angels) strengthening and protecting us, for alone we’re not able to stand against Satan and his host.! We were never meant to “go it alone”, and that is where the Holy Spirit comes in. For me the Holy Spirit in a very important part of the Trinity, including God the Father and His son, Jesus Christ.
    You, HollowLife, see your life as a journey; and so do I. During my journey I found God as a friend and Savior. Them I gradually let go of God; I had what I now call “dead religion” Life was a drag with few rewards and many disappointments. I was disliked at work as well as at home! Then I looked at horoscopes. What a revelation that was: Evil spirits were starting to cater to me! I was horrified, and prayed for Jesus to wash me clean. HE answered! I was cleansed and restored to a good relationship which Him. Believe me, I will never again let go of Him!!! Well, I had now seen both sides, and I knew which side I wanted to be on. It seems to me that a person who has never known “saving faith” cannot understand it; Yet, for me it is the greatest joy I have ever known. It also gives me a great future to look forward to.
    I pray that this will be an encouragement to many who read this blog. Blessings, Alfred.

  • HollowLife says:

    ///Jamie says: September 15, 2016 at 8:55 am
    Thanks HollowLife, I appreciate you taking the time to describe your chosen name. I can see how the way you view life it makes sense that suicide is a reasonable action. Tell me, what would stop a person with your view of life from taking the life of another person? Would there be anything wrong or evil about such a choice?/// Please note: A person who wouldn’t like to be part of the God plan and has realized the interdependence relationship scam, would not act unconsciously as to involve himself with such actions. On the other hand any good christian will condemn any one who doesn’t adapt to his faith. You will be surprised to know that if tomorrow you drop your believes and faiths, forces will come knocking on your door and you will not have a restful life, and all your relationships will scorn you and even god will turn his back. It’s very difficult to be independent, and not even god will leave you alone…It’s a tricky game, and god should be a trickster to that.

  • HollowLife says:

    I would like to assume further that beings or minds that aren’t developed enough for the final liberation, “FOR EXTINCTION”, and still cling to creation/life, are to be recycled accordingly, as to their believe systems, but never permanent… Like an overpopulated world that doesn’t know what to do with it’s people and everybody suffers the consequences of interdependence of constant amusement and abusement, likewise life itself with all it’s living beings and with their stagnant consciousness are constantly on a battlefield of progression of evolution and devolution, but not yet aware enough for final exit, go through life fighting for being and survival. It is the sure fact that to “BE” and the needs of being this or that will determent your actions and never be at rest and freed from change… from suffering from decay and death. The entire world got stagnated through it’s amusements of what they come to know as God’s gift but surely the gift is for a time and not permanent and shouldn’t anyone take it for granted because the same gift can also turn bitter and sour by it’s attachments, clinging, old age, suffering, lose and the final of all dreads, Death. So people go on assuming for after life to continue with all they come to know due to clinging and attachment and continue their own miseries and through this mentality never End their sufferings and ever/becoming. To me this can’t be intelligence and whoever has created this mess surely was hidden from my sight. The fact of having an organism/body that craves sexuality by it’s nature, food and clothing and other sustainment, is something that I must comply involuntarily, and people thing that this is their gift, but in actuality it’s a misfortune that has arisen and I must carry all it’s burdens. Surely people can function unconsciously but the world never wants us to know beyond what they want us to know and therefore we are double slaves… Or I should best say multiple slaves. The final exit from all the conditions of life, mind, time, and even God, you must demand your first and last freedom, and the way is going back or just stepping out of the game…not considering this life to have any importance whatsoever, but on the contrary, a disgraceful and futile that sucks you dry and lives you with the feeling of disgust and imperfections. Imagine an animal chasing you down to kill you and eat you…well, that’s how this life is, death will suck us dry by any means and chase us down though any disease until nothing remains. So there is no believe/knowledge to transport us anywhere but instead to throw ourselves to the winds of inevitability… discarding all scriptures and also God and/or Godsssssss, small and great, and eventually learn to rest by not thinking, and the only aim how to extinguish this self burden of being until this weight lifts offff and the mind finally ascends from this gravitational pull of sensuality and being. ////The metaphysical mind contemplating it’s END GAME…. Is It Suicide?////

  • HollowLife says:

    My final assumption is that everything that is being said and done, thought and admired is that Nature Mind and God are on rise and working together as a unity through the entire creation. Since life is not permanent and that mind shouldn’t be clinging to things there is this constant battle of right and wrong, good and evil, pleasure and pain, self and no self, suffering and blissfulness…becoming… being and no being. All these functions and malfunctions happen for the fact that Life/God are very busy and can also be ruthless in their functions to create and reach to some exelixis or transformation or perfection, but even though all are for a time in the timeless and whatever arises as God/Mind and Nature, in truth have no basis since are bound by time and mind…the background of all realities is the eternal timeless to which all return. An example is that after a days play you get tired and exhausted and would like to go home and rest…likewise with creation, the timeless jumps in time, plays with creation, becomes God/Mind/Nature, evolves, creates and destroys, and eventually gets tired of the game, puts the mind to rest and enters back to it’s timeless state of eternity…and this is for all those who would like to stop the game of time and enter the timeless zone beyond mind. Is like wearing the clothes for the day and before you go to bed you take them off and jump to bed. So a clarified mind that likes to exit time discards mind and body and through extreme cases by suicide, since body/mind are both impermanent and nothing to lose but on contrary gain eternal peace. So I don’t see the point for any belief system. to know that before you came to know you were beyond knowledge and that to reenter eternity you must return without any belongings but naked/empty of mind.(((((O))))))

  • HollowLife says:

    To Tom: I really don’t know and can’t argue about mind hypothesis and what’s really going on with the powers of God. All is an assumption but according to the major religious establishments, they all fight with each other. That’s not the issue here, God can never be conquered and neither can the mind, God is vast and mind is God’s shadow and all the creation is the byproduct of mind, but men is only a temporary creature with limitations that once born has to face his own imperfections and finally succumb to death by many factors and contingencies, and what’s more dramatic, nothing is for certain and even his believes cannot save him. And then I come to think since nothing can be for certain with the mind neither can any belief be certain but only one thing is for sure…DEATH!!! With the facts of life/death situation I notice that the MIND gives me the impressions that there is death, without MIND then I cannot know anything about neither life nor death. So I come to the conclusion and say to myself if mind pours out thoughts that become knowledge and understanding and intelligence, I can also reverse Mind and cut it’s root, it’s search, it’s yearning for knowledge and understanding and I can discard all believes alike. Now since mind doesn’t arise I am at peace and go deeper and deeper until the thought has disappeared, the outside world becomes dimmer and as time goes by I even forget about my existence and within that state of annihilation, the body eventually dies but MIND isn’t there any more to know the happenings and remain as eternal no/thin. (((((0)))))

  • Tom Tom says:

    HollowLife—
    To say that God “maintains this chaos” suggests you believe God created all the chaos, as opposed to his allowing it to continue for a time. Anything God creates is perfect. Struggles, sufferings, and deaths are a result of man’s disobedience to God. And while God may use the evil in the heart of man for his purposes, he never causes the initial evil.

    Again, I’m curious about some of your statements. You seem to believe in some god, although I don’t know if it’s the God of the Bible. It seems not, as your statements are contrary to what God has revealed of himself, man, Jesus, and the end times. If not the God of the Bible, then from where do you get your beliefs about the god you follow?

    You write there is a “need for a great change.” Isn’t that what the return of Jesus Christ is all about? When he returns, he will set up his kingdom reign. After a thousand years, God when then destroy this earth and create a new heaven and earth where our eternal spirits will live forever. How can you say there will just be “eternal nothing?”

  • HollowLife says:

    To Tom: I absolutely agree and especially with your last statement. God is everything and does everything but still the struggles and sufferings and deaths belong to men. I cannot quote scriptures I am speaking as life evolves in general and if God which is the source of everything maintains this chaos then surely he is the one for praise and blame. Throughout history all the wars are god’s holy wars. God can manipulate humanity and cause terrible deeds. Check out all the sufferings throughout the world. Wars and suffering never end, and since this collective consciousness has become so powerful in destruction there’s never going to be any peace and any saving. Therefore there’s need for a great change, but not for another musk but for complete annihilation and total extinction of being, end all self knowledge and war. instead of existing you become nonexistent. Out of the picture and out of the show. No more pain no more suffering, just eternal no/thing.

  • HollowLife says:

    Correction, To Tom: Where do you think that everything ends up? Are you a devolutionist? Believe has no basis and neither does mind. In the name of chist and his promise many people have destroyed themselves and his second coming soon will not be welcomed, that’s why I reject all dogmas, they are all frauds and fornicatians…doing god’s will. Why should’t people think of suicide on their own terms? people should drop all believes and start to think for themselves.

  • Tom Tom says:

    When people discard a belief in the God of the Bible, the following results:
    “For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” (Romans 1:21)

    To know God is to know absolute truth:
    “We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.” (2 Corinthians 10:5)

    When we trust in our own thoughts rather than in God, we deceive ourselves:
    “The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it?” (Jeremiah 17:9)

    With God out of the picture, how can anyone know that what they believe is true? There is no standard for logic; there is no standard for morality; there is no standard for continuity; there is, in fact, no reason to actually “know” anything for there is no foundation for knowledge. End result–there is no hope and no reason to even exist.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    What a great question ‘HollowLife’! “Where does everything end up?” I would ask you the same question: from your view of life, where does everything end up? The promise of the Bible is that everything does not end. Our life here on Earth is just the beginning of existence. I wrote earlier that obviously the Creator made this universe for a purpose and that He communicated His purpose to us. Humanity was created uniquely amongst all other created beings to have a special relationship with God. Part of His purpose for us is that we are a testimony to His great love and grace because we are the only creatures for whom He sacrificed Himself. His promise is that we will continue to exist beyond this life in order to be evidence of His sacrificial love.

    In my opinion, that sounds like a plan I would love to be a part of. If that is God’s will for me I embrace that whole heartedly. Do you have a better ‘end game’ in mind?

  • HollowLife says:

    To Jamie: Where do you think that everything ends up? Are you a devolutionist? Believe has no basis and neither does mind. In the name of chist and his promise many people have destroyed themselves and his second coming soon will not be welcomed, that’s why I reject all dogmas, they are all frauds and fornicatians…doing god’s will. Why should’t people think of suicide on their own terms? people should drop all believes and start to think for themselves.

  • Tom Tom says:

    HollowLife–
    Where do you think everything came from? Are you an evolutionist?

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Thanks HollowLife, I appreciate you taking the time to describe your chosen name. I can see how the way you view life it makes sense that suicide is a reasonable action. Tell me, what would stop a person with your view of life from taking the life of another person? Would there be anything wrong or evil about such a choice?

    On what basis have you determined that all information from religions is false and is keeping people in bondage? You suggest that the information we have about Jesus Christ could be a myth; but it could also be true. There certainly is a tremendous amount of documented information about His life that was recorded very close to the events of His life. What would cause you to reject that information?

    As I look at life, the existence of a personal, super-intelligent Creator who is actively involved in our lives seems to fit. How else can we explain the existence of our universe and our existence in it? It also makes sense that our Creator acted with purpose and has revealed that purpose to us. What is amazing to me is that this super-intelligent Creator would love us so much that He would enter into our physical existence to reveal His purpose to us and that He would sacrifice Himself so that we could have a relationship with Him and live out that purpose for which we were created.

    That results in a completely different view of life than what you describe. Instead of seeing my life as the unintended result of a man and woman coming together for hedonistic pleasure, I see my life as being planned by the Creator of the Universe and guided by His unrestricted love and presence with me. I could not consider ending my own life because it would be a denial of His purpose for me. Neither could I consider taking someone else’s life because it would usurp His purpose for them. My life is full of meaning and significance because the Creator of the Universe says it does. So rather than ‘HollowLife’ I would describe myself as ‘AbundantLife’.

  • HollowLife says:

    To Jamie: whatever you think/know is gathered information from the outside world that circulates as your mind, other minds are functioning, according to their nature, as MALE/FEMALE, and also on different input information from all types of cultures and believes. You know nothing about Christ, you were not there, it can very possible be a myth as all other scriptures can. Every mind is functioning according to the input information. Information can just be a lie/myth, for deceptive reasons. Religions have tried to shove this information on peoples minds for millions of years and everyone is being kept in bondage due to these input information. You cannot be your won person unless you drop all these informed garbage that circulates in your consciousness. Life is for a moment and has no basis, no center, no protection; we arise by [expletive removed] as a species and eventually deteriorate to our death and extinction… there is nothing to be saved. The fact is that peoples minds are trying to save the myth of input information and thus the entrapment in a vicious circle and being recycled within the same stale conditions of thinking minds. To be freed from all mind conditions and also from life itself I must cleanse the mind from all believes and also reject my own birth, it was not my decision. A male/female copulated and bore this body and surely cannot be neither me nor mine but a phenomenal of creation and time that mind has arisen within this life/ diversity of information and believes. I use hollowlife because for me nothing has any basis and neither stability, I am and I am not at the same time and I cannot be relocated anywhere unless I use the mind. Mind is a borrowed thing installed with information and when these information are discarded you become hollow and empty and nowhere to be found…Eternal sleep!!! Mankind never concerns about the animals that he slaughters to feed himself but concerns about his [expletive removed] being saved. saving is from our present stupidity to actually learn how to extinguish ourselves from this battle of being and becoming and enter the final liberation from illusions of mind and disappear into emptiness and not knowing… just as before being born, (((((0))))). It can be said that suicide is killing illusions and ignorance…and nothing more.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi HollowLife, the reason that you can trust Jesus to save you is because He was crucified and then rose from the dead. It was His death that rescues us from the penalty of our sin and rebellion against God. His resurrection means that He now lives to lead us into a life that follows His plans and purposes for us. He chose not to save Himself so that He could save us. That is love in the extreme!

    Why have you chosen the name “HollowLife”?

  • HollowLife says:

    REASONS TO DISBELIEF IN SOULS GODS AND AFTERLIFE DUE TO THE FACTS OF DECAY, DEATH AND IMPERMANENCE. WHEN SUICIDES HAPPEN THERE IS ALWAYS THE SURE REASON OF UNBEARABLE SUFFERING… LET THIS BE OUR UNWAVERING FACT THAT LIFE IS SUFFERING AND DEATH THAT EVERYONE MUST FACE AND GO THROUGH. PEOPLE OUT OF SHEER STUPIDITY BELIEVE THAT CHRIST WILL SAVE THEM WHEN HE COULDN’T EVEN SAVE HIMSELF FROM BEING CRUCIFIED. LET THIS BE A REMINDER ALSO THAT THE CROSS IS OUR CRUCIFIXION UNTIL DEATH. LIFE SUSTAINS ITSELF BY FEEDING ON LIFE AND WE ARE NOTHING BUT FOOD TO SUSTAIN OUR GOD AND OUR BELIEVES. WE ARE A WORTHLESS SPECIES LOOKING AFTER OUR OWN ASSES WHILE WE FEED ON EVERY ANIMAL THERE IS AND WANT ALSO TO BE SAVED FOR WHAT WE ARE AND BELIEVE. TO THINK ABOUT GODS AND ALL THEIR COMFORTS THAT THEY NEED, THEY ARE WHOLE LOT WORST THAN HUMANS. THAT IS WHY THERE IS WAR THROUGHOUT EXISTENCE BECAUSE THE HIGHER ALWAYS FEEDS ON THE LOWER AND ALSO WANTS TO BE SAVED FOR ITS OWN SATISFACTION. THE SYMBOL OF THE CROSS IS TO ANNIHILATE ONESELF SO COMPLETELY THAT THERE ISN’T ANY SELF TO BE SAVED ANY MORE, AND THAT IS THE FIRST AND LAST FREEDOM, EXTINCTION; BUT THE MANIPULATIVE FORCES ARE TWISTING REALITY AND ARE KEEPING MANKIND IN BONDAGE TO HAVE A SLAVE AND SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE MASSES OF PEOPLE REFUSE TO BE RELIGIOUS ANY MORE AND ACTUALLY TURN THEIR BACKS TO ALL THE GODS AND JUST BEING SIMPLE WITH OUR LIVE’S ABIDING? SURELY ALL CHURCHES AND PRIESTHOOD WILL BE OF NO USE ANYMORE, NO ONE WILL NEED THEM, AND NEITHER THEIR GODS; WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM? THEY WILL TRY TO COME UP WITH ANYTHING TO DECEIVE THE PEOPLE, AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, AND KEEP THE MASSES OF PEOPLE AS THEIR SLAVES. WHAT ABOUT IF THERE’S NO MORE CRIME? SURELY ALL PRISONS HAVE TO BE SHUT DOWN AND ALL THE LAW SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE, LAWYERS JUDGES AND THE POLICE FORCES HAVE TO GO TO THE FIELD AND GROW POTATOES, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE UP THEIR POSITIONS SO EASILY, THEY WILL REBEL AND FIGHT TO KEEP PEOPLE THEIR SLAVES AS THEY WERE/ARE DOING. THIS INGRAINED MENTALITY HAS POLLUTED THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF MANKIND OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS BECAUSE SOME WANT TO BE HIGHER THEN OTHERS AND HAVE SLAVES FOR THEIR NEEDS, AND THUS, THROUGH THEIR MANIPULATION, KEEP MANKIND’S MENTALITY IN BONDAGE ANS SLAVERY AND THEY ARE THE GODS THAT WILL SAVE US. PLEASE DO KNELL BEFORE YOUR POPE AND PAY OBEDIENCE AND LET HIM MOLEST YOU, IT’S GOD’S WILL AND DOING AND YOU SHOULD LIKE IT ALSO…YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR ALL YOUR LIFE AND THAT’S WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN ALSO; SO ARE THE CHILDREN FREE? YOU WOULD NOT LET THEM BE FREE AND WHEN THE TIME COMES AND THINGS GO OVERBOARD AND SUICIDE HAPPENS. CHRIST SAID THAT: THERE WILL BE SOME STANDING HERE THAT THEY WILL NOT TEST OF DEATH UNTIL THE SEE THE SON OF MAN COME TO HIS KINGDOM… ALSO THAT THEY WILL SEE/HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND. NOW, THE ONES THAT WILL BE STANDING HERE NOT TESTING OF DEATH ARE THE ONES THAT THEIR MINDS ARE SO CONDITIONED BY THE WORLD THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ESCAPE FROM THEIR HIGH POSITIONS… AND OTHERS FROM BEING IN BONDAGE AND NOT KNOWING THE FACTS OF BEING SLAVES TO THE MANIPULATIVE FORCES…BUT THE OTHERS WHO CAN HEAR SEE AND UNDERSTAND WILL PERCEIVE THROUGH THE FACTS AND KNOW THAT THE WORLD IS BEING HELD HOSTAGE AND THAT THE SON OF MAN MUST ARISE FROM THESE CONDITIONS THROUGH HIS OWN WILLINGNESS AND SEE AND FEEL THAT BEYOND THIS WORLD THERE IS FREEDOM, SPIRIT ARISES AND FREES THE MIND FROM ALL CONDITIONS OF THE WORLD AND REACHES LIBERATION, TO HIS KINGDOM, BEYOND CONDITIONS… ANNIHILATING THE SELF/WORLD IS ARISING FROM THE MUD. BEST REGARDS.

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Ben, the author of this article, Lynnette Hoy, has a counselling practice in Illinois and wrote some articles like this one a number of years ago. In what ways do you see a similarity to the person in this article? What has led you to consider that you might have similar struggles in the future?

  • Ben says:

    Hello, I am curious about knowing more about the person in the first two paragraphs. I am not suicidal and don’t have a desire to end my life, but the description of this person eerily mirrors my thought process. I would like to prevent anything like that happening to me in the future. Can you help?

  • Jamie Jamie says:

    Hi Kweku, I am glad to hear that you are still alive even though life is not happy for you. Jesus told His followers, “In this world you will have trouble and suffering, but take courage for I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33) He is not promising to take away our trouble and suffering but He will carry us through all the hurt and struggle of life so that we can overcome and live life well through the trouble.

    Tell me Kweku, are you a follower of Jesus? Have you put your trust in His death to pay the penalty for your sin, and are you following His leading in your life? That is how we access His help and experience the fulfillment of His promise to overcome life’s trouble and suffering.

    Let me pray for you: Lord Jesus, thank You for Kweku’s faith that You will help. Bring Kweku strength and hope. Help Kweku to continue to experience Your leading and strength. Amen.

  • kweku says:

    life is not happy for me as I am still alive but don’t have mind and never think so should I stay on this earth to get disgrace.and God can help me

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