So, you are actually saying that God created Hitler so that the prophecy of Israel could come true?!
Let’s get this straight, I don’t believe in God/s, and it’s unlikely that I ever will. No amount of quoting from the bible is going to change that, as I don’t believe the bible is a reliable text.
But, even if I did suddenly decide to believe (even with the complete lack of evidence) why would I choose the God you describe?

This is what you describe: A God who is so powerless to bring about his own prophecies that he must create a man evil enough to mastermind the killing of millions of innocent men, women and children (not only Jews, but gays, Gypsies, political opponents, good Christians who tried to help those being murdered and anyone else in who got in the way). He does this so that people who don’t believe Jesus is his son can have a special country to live in.

Picture for a moment a little girl. She has been separated from the rest of her family who have either been killed or are working as slaves or are being experimented on without anaesthetic. She is naked with a shaven head. She is being lead in to a room full of other naked, panicking people. Soon she will be gassed to death.
As there is no God, He can’t be either evil or good. But I think a God, who you say not only didn’t prevent the above but actually brought it about for his own selfish purposes, could not be described as good.

You say: “Their is no mention of him suggesting that he will return in their lifetime”
Well, what do you make of:
Matt 16:28 There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

That’s pretty clearly saying that he’ll be back before they die. I’m sure you’ll have some “out of context” excuse, or “he didn’t really mean that” story. That’s the great thing about the bible, it’s so full of contradictions and open to interpretation. It almost makes it hard to believe, don’t you think?

All the best,
Richard

In reference to Hitler God created him for a purpose and it was as a result of Hitler that we have Israel. Evil people still exist today however you choose not to believe in God for the evil that is occurring as to your way of belief is because God allowed Hitler to exist or evil people to exist God is evil. However Hitlers purpose was to fulfill the prophecy. Even you would have to admit that Israel was created after WW2 because of the Holocaust.

History records the deaths of all 11 of his remaining disciples and not one died a normal death as they all died horrific deaths. The early Christians were fed to the lions as sport to entertain the Romans and Nero being the worst tyrant it was as the result of his persecution that we have the church today as you would think that ending ones life would erase Christianity however it has always had the opposite effect. Even today their are millions of Christians that are being persecuted and often killed. The difference between you and me is that I know that when I die I will spend eternity in heaven with Christ however your belief is that when you die that is all their is. You base that on your misinterpretations of what is in the scripture or outright not believing what the scripture says. Leaving things to chance as the creation of Israel is just thing that happened. If you watch and read the news the Arab nation is preparing to wipe them off the face of the earth and have been trying too since the creation of Israel. This is a pipe dream to believe that the creation of Israel just happened it took some dramatic circumstances that was created by God. If you choose to believe this then like Christ said in the scripture which I have posted below you are blind.

You are sadly mistaken if you believe that that Christ said he will return the same day.
In John 16: 19
19 Jesus realized they wanted to ask him about it, so he said, “Are you asking yourselves what I meant? I said in a little while you won’t see me, but a little while after that you will see me again.” Their is no mention of him suggesting that he will return in their lifetime

Their are many miracles that others seen Christ perform in the Bible and where witnessed by many people as the following miracle:

John 11:

17 When Jesus arrived at Bethany, he was told that Lazarus had already been in his grave for four days. 18 Bethany was only a few miles[d] down the road from Jerusalem, 19 and many of the people had come to console Martha and Mary in their loss. 20 When Martha got word that Jesus was coming, she went to meet him. But Mary stayed in the house. 21 Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask.”

23 Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.”

24 “Yes,” Martha said, “he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day.”

25 Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life.[e] Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. 26 Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die. Do you believe this, Martha?”

27 “Yes, Lord,” she told him. “I have always believed you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who has come into the world from God.” 28 Then she returned to Mary. She called Mary aside from the mourners and told her, “The Teacher is here and wants to see you.” 29 So Mary immediately went to him.

30 Jesus had stayed outside the village, at the place where Martha met him. 31 When the people who were at the house consoling Mary saw her leave so hastily, they assumed she was going to Lazarus’s grave to weep. So they followed her there. 32 When Mary arrived and saw Jesus, she fell at his feet and said, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died.”

33 When Jesus saw her weeping and saw the other people wailing with her, a deep anger welled up within him,[f] and he was deeply troubled. 34 “Where have you put him?” he asked them.

They told him, “Lord, come and see.” 35 Then Jesus wept. 36 The people who were standing nearby said, “See how much he loved him!” 37 But some said, “This man healed a blind man. Couldn’t he have kept Lazarus from dying?”

38 Jesus was still angry as he arrived at the tomb, a cave with a stone rolled across its entrance. 39 “Roll the stone aside,” Jesus told them.

But Martha, the dead man’s sister, protested, “Lord, he has been dead for four days. The smell will be terrible.”

40 Jesus responded, “Didn’t I tell you that you would see God’s glory if you believe?” 41 So they rolled the stone aside. Then Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, thank you for hearing me. 42 You always hear me, but I said it out loud for the sake of all these people standing here, so that they will believe you sent me.” 43 Then Jesus shouted, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 And the dead man came out, his hands and feet bound in graveclothes, his face wrapped in a headcloth. Jesus told them, “Unwrap him and let him go!”

You would think that raising someone from the dead would cause people to believe however many did not even after all the miracles that he did as is described in John 12:

37 But despite all the miraculous signs Jesus had done, most of the people still did not believe in him. 38 This is exactly what Isaiah the prophet had predicted:

“LORD, who has believed our message?
To whom has the LORD revealed his powerful arm?”[n]

39 But the people couldn’t believe, for as Isaiah also said,

40 “The Lord has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts—
so that their eyes cannot see,
and their hearts cannot understand,
and they cannot turn to me
and have me heal them.”[o]

41 Isaiah was referring to Jesus when he said this, because he saw the future and spoke of the Messiah’s glory. 42 Many people did believe in him, however, including some of the Jewish leaders. But they wouldn’t admit it for fear that the Pharisees would expel them from the synagogue. 43 For they loved human praise more than the praise of God.

44 Jesus shouted to the crowds, “If you trust me, you are trusting not only me, but also God who sent me. 45 For when you see me, you are seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come as a light to shine in this dark world, so that all who put their trust in me will no longer remain in the dark. 47 I will not judge those who hear me but don’t obey me, for I have come to save the world and not to judge it. 48 But all who reject me and my message will be judged on the day of judgment by the truth I have spoken. 49 I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. 50 And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”

Yes we can agree to disagree however like the Pharisees in the Bible even with all the miracles such as feeding the 5000 and raising someone from the dead they still did not believe as their eyes were blind like yours. So you we can disagree yes but one day you will wish you had believed. God Bless

If your kids decided that Voodoo was the way to go, you’d probably take the news with some disappointment and hope they grew out of it. Probably guide them towards something a little less loopy.
I would have a similar reaction to my children “accepting Christ.”
As I raise my kids to be open minded yet sceptical, it’s unlikely that they would become believers later in life. However, if they did decide to follow Krishna or Christ or Vishnu or any other imaginary deity, I would have to respect their decision (albeit with a raised eyebrow).

As I said before, the people who created modern Israel had all read the bible and brought about what the bible prophesised. That is not God bringing about a prophecy. That’s people reading a book and enacting the prophecy. If you can’t see the difference…well…I just don’t know what to say.

Are you seriously saying that a God protected Hitler so he could prove a point? That’s obscene! Is this the god you worship?

As you know the bible so well, you will be familiar with the prophecies that haven’t come true. One of the most glaring being that Christ told his followers that His second coming would be in their lifetimes.
So he was wrong about his own second coming, but to make some other point he protected and allowed a mass murderer to kill millions of his innocent creations.
Please children, accept Christ into your hearts, he’s the best.

Richard

In 2 Kings 6: 16 “Don’t be afraid!” Elisha told him. “For there are more on our side than on theirs!” 17 Then Elisha prayed, “O LORD, open his eyes and let him see!” The LORD opened the young man’s eyes, and when he looked up, he saw that the hillside around Elisha was filled with horses and chariots of fire.

The only difference today is that I do not see the angels and neither do you so in your view God does not exist as this story is one of the fables to you. For myself I do not see the angels who are from God however I do know they are their as is evident in the Bible. Like the wind we both know that it exists however because you are unable to accept the signs of God as their being a God therefore God does not exist. The only difference between myself and you is that we both don’t see the angels or the physical form that God exists however I know he exists as I take the Bible and prove it’s existence from the proficiencies that are fulfilled such as Israel being formed which is foretold in the Bible plus that the Jews would never be wiped off the face of the earth as Hitler attempted to do. You dispute the evidence as pure chance as there were over 40 assassination attempts on Hitlers life which are well documented including Hitler being rescued by a priest from drowning. God used Hitler to fulfill his promise that Israel would become a nation once again. This still does not prove it but one day you will see God in physical form.

Your definition of a Christian is purely on the intellectual view point as for some unbeknown reason to myself you have characterized Hitler as a Christian. In fact Hitler wrote his bible to replace the Bible as if Hitler claimed to be a Christian on the intellectual level you would find at least one clip of him singing silent night in German. The difference is I choose to believe in God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit because I accept the evidence and take the Bible as a whole to verify its authenticity.

You may raise your non-believing children however would it not be a kicker to you if one day one of your children accepted Christ and decided to believe in God? God Bless

Since Mankind crawled from the slime we have looked for something to worship. Something to give us a reason for being. So many Gods have come and gone, as no doubt our current one(s) will. So many gods that were believed in just as strongly as your Christian one. Even if He is worshipped for another thousand years, eventually humans will move on. I would hope it would be to a more secular, rational society, but judging by our history, we will probably just move on to the next God.

I have no doubt that believing in a god has helped millions of people make sense of their lives, and has helped them in troubled times. This is a great thing but it still doesn’t make any of those gods real.

It is good that Christians (along with not believers) helped to abolish slavery. But we must remember it was the Christian Imperial Empires that took it up with such relish in the first place. As I’m sure you know, there are quite a few parts of the bible (both old and new) which condone slavery and instruct on how you should treat your slaves. This is not taking anything out of context; it is simply what the bible says.
So it’s not a particularly Christian thing to abolish slavery. It is the right thing to do but it doesn’t come from the bible.

Like all people there are good Christians and bad Christians. The good and the bad will cherry pick the bible to suit their needs.
Hitler thought of himself as a good Christian:
“I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord..”

Anyway, this was not meant as a debate about Christianity, but the (non)existence of God. I cannot believe that the current God(s) is any different to the thousands that are dismissed as primitive superstition. Yes, He may give your life meaning and purpose but so did the old gods give purpose and hope to the ancients. God is just something mankind has always invented and reinvented, and will most likely keep inventing. Each era believes his god is the real one.

I will continue on my peaceful, moral, non believing way, raising my peaceful, moral, non believing children. You will keep doing what you do.

I wish you well,
Richard

PS
Not sure what you mean by:
“As I have stated before as you have spent your whole existence of life proving in theory including the media that their is no existence of God…”
Commenting on this site and talking about the existence of God is a very small part of my life. I have never been in the media. Perhaps you are confusing me with some one else.

“There are many things such as the wind, electricity, atoms and nuclear radiation that we can’t see. We know they exist because of the effect they have. Those effects can be tested and repeated. We have no evidence that God exists. ” The theory that you believe in is that their is no physical evidence that God exists however you believe that as there is no physical evidence of God’s existence therefore he does not exist. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your theoretical argument as you say their is that wind, atoms, electricity, and nuclear radiation exists as there is evidence. The real reason you believe God does not exist is that you can’t put it in a your box of your way of thinking as the evidence of the existence of God is found in the change that occurs within peoples lives, as well as healing that does occur and your definition as to healing that occurs is your blindness in explaining it away for the reasons that you gave.

As I have stated before as you have spent your whole existence of life proving in theory including the media that their is no existence of God as their is no physical proof. I will never convince you that you are wrong as you will only discover that you were wrong when you stand before God. The reasoning I believe you think this way that even though you are a mathematical genius the Holy Spirit is something that you are unable to put into a mathematical formula. You think in theoretical terms and when you do quote parts of the Bible you skew it into saying something that it does not say.

“You say you were cured of a disease by your faith. Unfortunately you don’t know that. Some options:
1. You may have been going to get better anyway.
2. Believing something very strongly can have a placebo effect. (Like soldiers that were given saline solution and told it was morphine – their pain was relieved as they believed they’d had morphine).
3. A god decided to cure you because you believed in him (while letting millions of other faithful suffer). Why are you so special I wonder?
You say I am closed minded. But, I would consider all the possibilities in the above situation and decide what is the most likely. I contest that you are the closed minded one because you jump straight to the conclusion that, against all the known laws of nature and science, a supernatural being has come to your aid.”

In Isaiah 55: 9 “For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts are higher than your thoughts.”

God allows millions of people to suffer as I myself have as well for myself as a believer in Christ to become strong to serve him and fulfill my purpose in life which is to share the good news of others as when Christ was on earth he commanded us to share salvation. The main theory that you have that God does not exist is that he allows evil in the world therefore God does not exist. The mathematical formula that you are unable to comprehend is that God allows evil for a person to become stronger like fire purifies gold so this is how he purifies me.

“Modern Israel is a State made by people who campaigned to have that state. They used arguments from the bible to get their way. This is not a fulfillment of a prophecy but a fulfillment by humans to have a desire met.”

How do you explain to a blind man that has never seen what you see? You can’t. To deny that Israel was created as a fulfillment of prophecy when around 2600 years ago after Israel was destroyed as a nation and it was prophesied that Israel would become a nation again. Hmmmm To state that it is a fulfillment of human desire I find kind of ironic as God used the will of men as you state to fulfill his prophesy yet somehow this is not fulfilling prophecy!! It clearly says that Israel will become a nation once again. In addition it was Hitlers attempt to destroy Jews which the Bible prophecy says will never occur. There is two prophecies that were fulfilled one was the attempt to destroy the Jews by Hitler. Hitler was unable to destroy the Jews unless of course you are one of those who don’t believe that the Holocaust occurred! The second was that the nation of Israel would be created as the first reason is the reason that Israel exists today as awful as we think it is God allowed Hitler to stay alive as there many assassination attempts on Hitlers life. The result was that the prophecy of creating Israel was fulfilled and God used man to fulfill this prophecy.

“I’d be interested to know what you make of this:
In Matthew 16:27-28, Jesus predicts his second coming to be within the lifetime of his own followers. We all know how accurate that was.” The passage that you are referring to does not state that the second coming will come during the lifetime of his followers as I will not begin to get into a debate on the second coming of Christ as many locos have prophesied the day when he was coming back only to fail!

“I offered examples of God’s evil immorality simply to show you the God that you worship. I could give you many more examples of his deliberate cruelty, including genocide. Of course, having read the Bible you will know all these already.”

You will twist and skew partial passages of scripture to say what you want it to say as you have stated you only take bits and pieces to prove your point and are basing your theory on purely mathematical formula. To create pure gold you have to create a fire to melt the gold to rid the gold of the impurities. You don’t believe in the existence of God as you have been unable to devise a mathematical formula to prove that he exists.

You state God is evil because he allows all these evil things in the world and the real reason you are suggesting this is for others who read the article that they will agree with your theory. Unfortunately you are looking at the fire and not the results of the change in Christians life as that is irrelevant to you. With every fiber in your being you are trying to prove that God is evil so others will follow your theory which is one of the real reasons that you respond to the comments.

The results of Christians that have seen change occur is as a result of allowing the Holy Spirit to offer physical healing, emotional healing or the Holy Spirit changing a persons evil behavior. You relish in quoting the one passage you have found in the Bible about selling of woman into the sex trade.

Their was a slave trader as you mentioned who was selling men and woman into the sex trade who was from Britain. They kidnapped African people and sold them as slavery so I am certain all young woman were sexually abused by their masters as well as many of the other inhumane things that were done to men. The slave trader became a Christian and was so convicted from the Holy Spirit of all the people he has sold into slavery and how inhumanely they were treated. The slave trader fought to have slavery abolished in the British parliament and the result of his belief in God and the power of the Holy Spirit in him that he was able to get a law past abolishing the selling of slaves which ended the slave trade which you rightly despise. The result of his convictions was the song Amazing Grace that often is heard in funerals. That is the mathematical theory you will never understand as all you see is the fire that is changing the slave trader therefore God does not exist. I am sure you will have a number of points as to why he changed trying to dispute the evidence of the Holy Spirit as it would be like me telling you wind does not exist because I can not physically see it.

My friend you will always win the theory game which is what you are attempting to do. However you do not have the foresight to understand the Holy Spirit as if you do that means you will have to agree that their is a God which you have made your life’s work to disprove that God does not exist.

God bless!

You say you were cured of a disease by your faith. Unfortunately you don’t know that. Some options:
1. You may have been going to get better anyway.
2. Believing something very strongly can have a placebo effect. (Like soldiers that were given saline solution and told it was morphine – their pain was relieved as they believed they’d had morphine).
3. A god decided to cure you because you believed in him (while letting millions of other faithful suffer). Why are you so special I wonder?
You say I am closed minded. But, I would consider all the possibilities in the above situation and decide what is the most likely. I contest that you are the closed minded one because you jump straight to the conclusion that, against all the known laws of nature and science, a supernatural being has come to your aid.

Modern Israel is a State made by people who campaigned to have that state. They used arguments from the bible to get their way. This is not a fulfilment of a prophecy but a fulfilment by humans to have a desire met.

I’d be interested to know what you make of this:
In Matthew 16:27-28, Jesus predicts his second coming to be within the lifetime of his own followers. We all know how accurate that was. If a supposed prophet has even one prophecy fail, can he rightfully be called a prophet? The bible itself says no, in Deut. 18:22…
“If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come
true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.”

I don’t know enough as to how Bethlehem could be prophesized to be Jesus’ birth place. I do know it’s not just a straight forward case.
From Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of
old, from ancient times.”
Bethlehem Ephrathah is a tribe, not a town, so we already have a problem.

From Isaiah 7:14:
“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and
will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”
So the prophecy was for a guy named Immanuel, not Jesus. But we’ll just pretend its Jesus because it fits our story better.

Umm…you don’t believe selling your daughter as a sex slave is child abuse?

I offered examples of God’s evil immorality simply to show you the God that you worship. I could give you many more examples of his deliberate cruelty, including genocide. Of course, having read the Bible you will know all these already.
Peace to you,
Richard

The following is your statement:

“So we can be lazy and say “I have faith that God made the winds”, or we can observe what is happening in the world and get the facts. You say you don’t question the bible’s teaching. So you are agreeing with me that the gist of the bible is “this is how it is, don’t ask questions.””

The Bible contrary to your own personal belief does prove itself as these are a few of the prophesies that were fulfilled. So sure ask questions however when I study scripture what was foretold happened years later.

Ezekiel 34:13:

I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.

Ezekiel 2600 years ago foretold that Israel would become a nation again which occurred after ww2 when Israel once again became a nation.

In Leviticus 26:44 “But despite this, I will not utterly reject or despise them while they are in excel in the land of their enemies. I will not cancel my covenant with them by wiping them out, for I am the Lord their God. The Bible said that God would never allow the people of Israel to be completely destroyed although Hitler sure did try but he was not successful.

“During ancient times, 10 of the 12 Tribes of Israel were decimated by the Assyrians. And the Babylonians later persecuted what was left of the people of Israel.” The choice scripture you quoted about babies heads being bashed was an attempt to destroy the Jews.

“Again, as you rightly point out, I am not a bible scholar. I have read enough to feel that it’s a book of fables and myths, but I am willing to read more.
Could you be more specific about the prophecies that you mention, and where exactly I can find them? I promise I will read them and get back to you. Who knows, maybe I’ll be converted! But already I’m wondering if the writers of the second book had read the first, and put a few fulfilled prophecies in to make a point!”

The book of Isaiah is full of prophecies as to events that would occur when Jesus came to earth. Other prophets name the town of Bethlehem as to the place of his birth as i am sure you will have an explanation as to how this could be. It is mathematically impossible for someone to write prophecy something and it occurs hundreds of years later. Your belief is such that it is fable and untruth and challenge to research to see if it is truth when you take the Bible as a whole and study and research it you will discover that events that are promised to occur do so years later. However if you only take bits and pieces of it as you to prove that you are right as you are only taking a small part of the story like what happens in the Media is they only take what was partially said and make into a truth. I will never even attempt to win your theological arguments as the arguments that you challenge are based only on part of the picture which is completely impossible to dispute so you will always win the argument as this is how you have skewed it in your favor.

This is the theological side of the argument which you will always win because you have convinced yourself and set yourself up to win. However when it comes to the personal side of Christianity it is something which you are unable to grasp or comprehend so the result is that it must be a bunch of fables and magic. So fine believe that if you wish too however my personal evidence in my life is before I fully believed his word I was a defeated man as I had medical challenges which I was never able to overcome until I began to live the Spirit filled life which you believe to be magic. The result was that I was healed did I see God heal me? NO of course not! Is their evidence yes that I am healed! Yes. The verse in the Bible talks about wind which you have so eloquently explained why this occurs however have you ever seen the physical form of wind? We see rain,snow, hail so these are physical forms that we know to be true but I have never seen wind. Have you? Since I have not seen it must not exist then. I stand outside I feel something blow on my face but I don’t visualize it with my eyes it is not visible so it must be magic but there is no physical form.

To say that God does not exist is like me telling you that their is no wind as you ridiculed the very thought and suggested that I find other alternative reading material to explain wind. I will never ever ever convince you that God does not exist nor would I even try too. It is like I feel the wind but don’t am unable to see it’s physical form I see evidence of it. Their is incidence that God does exist like wind however you have never seen him in physical form so God is a fairy tail. You are free to believe what you wish too.

I have many more prophesies I can prove to you that have occurred if the ones I have provided are not enough evidence.

God Bless

The following is your statement on faith:

“Thankyou very much for the great example of how silly faith is.
If I understand you correctly, the bible says that wind blows where ever it wants –wind is a mystery because we can’t see it. People 2000 years ago didn’t know where wind came from, so they attributed it to God.
We now know wind is air moving from a high pressure to a low pressure, with some changes caused by the spinning earth called the coriolis affect. Differences in pressure are created by the sun heating the earth. This is pretty basic stuff that is learned early in school. Perhaps if you read more than the Bible you would know this.”

Let me congratulate you as if you would have described what wind is in 2000 years ago you would have been know as Newton during that time and would have been famous! You have to take into context that the passage was written when their was very little scientific knowledge as we can explain how it occurs however we are unable to visually see it but by “faith” we have to accept that wind is occurring it has nothing to do that it comes from God. Christ was discussing Faith and like you questioning if God exists so the following is the full context of the conversation that occurs between the Atheist (Nicodemus) and Christ. John 3:

1 There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee. 2 After dark one evening, he came to speak with Jesus. “Rabbi,” he said, “we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.”

3 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again,[a] you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

4 “What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”

5 Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.[b] 6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.[c] 7 So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.”

9 “How are these things possible?” Nicodemus asked.

10 Jesus replied, “You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don’t understand these things? 11 I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won’t believe our testimony. 12 But if you don’t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man[e] has come down from heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.[f]

16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.[g]”

I must say I have the impression that you either are Richard Dawkins or using his first name because you have the same beliefs as he does. “I am certainly not afraid to read the bible. But like most Christians, I just pick bits to prove my points.”

I am not like most Christians as I read the whole Bible and not the bits and pieces to prove a point. Many of the prophecies in the Old Testament occur in the New Testament. How can someone foresee what will happen 100′s of years later? I will quote some of the verses from the OT that occur in the New Testament as many prophecies have been fulfilled. In reference to reading the Old Testament as I have stated in the past I have studied the Old Testament and am very familiar with the Old Testament and the many fables you have supposedly read. I read the whole Bible to prove that the Bible is in fact true and not just the little bits that you use to prove your point that God does not exist as if he did exist he would not allow these things to occur! I am by no means trying to convert you as your mind is closed however from a theology point of view which you tend to argue is based on your perception of the few fables in the Bible that you have read. The scriptures that you do quote you believe proves that God does not exist as he allowed evil.

To justify your claim that people in the OT were not evil we should define what evil is. According to Wiki. this the definition:

“Definitions of evil vary, as does the analysis of its root motives and causes; however, evil is commonly associated with conscious and deliberate wrongdoing, discrimination designed to harm others, humiliation of people designed to diminish their psychological well-being and dignity, destructiveness, and acts of unnecessary or indiscriminate violence.”

In the previous comment you mentioned the following “including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9)?” I might be extremely confused however according to your comment your own personal belief is that selling your daughter as a sex slave, child abuse. I find it amazing that you take one verse in Psalm 137 :9 where it describes the bashing of babies against the wall as it appears that you have not read the full chapter as the previous verse in Psalm 137: 7 O LORD remember what the Edomites did on the day the armies of Babylon captured Jerusalem. Destroy it! they yelled. Level it to the ground! The following verses then describe the bashing of the babies which is what Hitlers army did through out Europe during WW2 as it were the Jews that were being slaughtered.

Your statement of “To be clear – the people in the Old Testament weren’t evil” seems to be wrong as by the scriptures you quoted it shows evil. You follow the statement by “the God of the Old Testament was evil” however you believe that God does not exist so if God does not exist then how can you believe that the God of the Old Testament is evil?