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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
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		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a sneaky way to increase the sales of your book Dave :)  I will have a look at it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a sneaky way to increase the sales of your book Dave :)  I will have a look at it.</p>
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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
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		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 17:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi LeylandCyress, I think that is great to have such a central value of doing no harm.  That is easier said than done though, don&#039;t you think?  Is harm happen just by doing things or aren&#039;t there times when not doing things causes harm?  We often hear people talking about taking care of themselves but that often results in hurting others.  When a marriage breaks down and one partner has fallen out of love with their spouse and finds another that they truly feel is their soul mate is it right to hurt the spouse by leaving them and marrying the other?  How does Wicca help people navigate all those ethically difficult situations?

You asked some questions about Christianity which I think are important to clarify.  First of all, rather than say &quot;Christianity teaches that anything not of its faith is evil&quot; I would rephrase to say &quot;Anything not of God is evil.&quot;  My reason for that difference is because God is--and has been throughout the history of the humanity--actively revealing Himself to us all.  So it is not surprising then that all cultures and religions have adopted aspects of His truth.  I think all religions have this underlying sense that humanity is incomplete or imperfect.  That is clearly something that God has revealed to us.  Just because other religions also acknowledge the imperfection of humanity does not mean then that Christians reject that as evil.  But the different ways that other religions, worldviews and cultures attempt to address and correct those imperfections may run contrary to what God has revealed.  In fact, I think that is the most significant argument for Christianity as true because all other religions, worldviews, cultures etc. recommend something for humans to do in order to deal with their own personal or corporate imperfections.  Jesus said that He is the only way to deal with those imperfections and to have relationship with God.  His death paid the penalty for those imperfections on our behalf so that now we can stand before God pure, without any imperfection.  Followers of Jesus put their trust in His death rather than anything that they can do, or any enlightenment that they can achieve, or any other means of paying for their own imperfection.  It&#039;s uniqueness at least encourages closer investigation to discern it truth.

You also refer to the way Christians have adopted pagan rituals and holidays.  While I know of some Christians who would agree with you and do not celebrate those holidays, in most cases, the intent behind taking those holidays and making them Christian was out of a desire to show how Christ has taken our lives which were trapped in a rebellion against God and redeemed them for the purposes of God.  Those holidays really become an example of what has happened in the life of a follower of Jesus: once they were opposed to God and lived life for their own purpose, but now Jesus has died for them and adopted them into His family so they are now set apart for the purposes of God and reveal His transforming power.  

You also identified two teachings that you claim are not in the Bible.  There I would have to disagree with you.  First Hell is a reality referred to throughout the Bible.  There are different names that are used to refer to Hell--Abbadon, Hades, Lake of Fire, etc.--but there is no question that it is a literal place that is characterized by torment due to the complete absence of God and His goodness and love.  

Secondly, you also suggest that &quot;Trinity&quot; is a foreign concept in the Bible.  While it is true the word &#039;Trinity&#039; is never used in the Bible the idea of one God existing in Three Persons--God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit--is the way that He has revealed Himself in the Bible.  Just a few references would be Matthew 28:19 where Jesus Himself instructs His disciples to baptize people &quot;in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit&quot;.  Another is 2Corinthians 13:14 where Paul closes his letter with &quot;The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.&quot;  Another is found in Hebrews 9:14 which talks about how Jesus&#039; death pays the penalty of our sin, &quot;how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?&quot; I could go on but suffice it to say that God has clearly revealed Himself in the Bible as 1 God existing as 3 persons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LeylandCyress, I think that is great to have such a central value of doing no harm.  That is easier said than done though, don&#8217;t you think?  Is harm happen just by doing things or aren&#8217;t there times when not doing things causes harm?  We often hear people talking about taking care of themselves but that often results in hurting others.  When a marriage breaks down and one partner has fallen out of love with their spouse and finds another that they truly feel is their soul mate is it right to hurt the spouse by leaving them and marrying the other?  How does Wicca help people navigate all those ethically difficult situations?</p>
<p>You asked some questions about Christianity which I think are important to clarify.  First of all, rather than say &#8220;Christianity teaches that anything not of its faith is evil&#8221; I would rephrase to say &#8220;Anything not of God is evil.&#8221;  My reason for that difference is because God is&#8211;and has been throughout the history of the humanity&#8211;actively revealing Himself to us all.  So it is not surprising then that all cultures and religions have adopted aspects of His truth.  I think all religions have this underlying sense that humanity is incomplete or imperfect.  That is clearly something that God has revealed to us.  Just because other religions also acknowledge the imperfection of humanity does not mean then that Christians reject that as evil.  But the different ways that other religions, worldviews and cultures attempt to address and correct those imperfections may run contrary to what God has revealed.  In fact, I think that is the most significant argument for Christianity as true because all other religions, worldviews, cultures etc. recommend something for humans to do in order to deal with their own personal or corporate imperfections.  Jesus said that He is the only way to deal with those imperfections and to have relationship with God.  His death paid the penalty for those imperfections on our behalf so that now we can stand before God pure, without any imperfection.  Followers of Jesus put their trust in His death rather than anything that they can do, or any enlightenment that they can achieve, or any other means of paying for their own imperfection.  It&#8217;s uniqueness at least encourages closer investigation to discern it truth.</p>
<p>You also refer to the way Christians have adopted pagan rituals and holidays.  While I know of some Christians who would agree with you and do not celebrate those holidays, in most cases, the intent behind taking those holidays and making them Christian was out of a desire to show how Christ has taken our lives which were trapped in a rebellion against God and redeemed them for the purposes of God.  Those holidays really become an example of what has happened in the life of a follower of Jesus: once they were opposed to God and lived life for their own purpose, but now Jesus has died for them and adopted them into His family so they are now set apart for the purposes of God and reveal His transforming power.  </p>
<p>You also identified two teachings that you claim are not in the Bible.  There I would have to disagree with you.  First Hell is a reality referred to throughout the Bible.  There are different names that are used to refer to Hell&#8211;Abbadon, Hades, Lake of Fire, etc.&#8211;but there is no question that it is a literal place that is characterized by torment due to the complete absence of God and His goodness and love.  </p>
<p>Secondly, you also suggest that &#8220;Trinity&#8221; is a foreign concept in the Bible.  While it is true the word &#8216;Trinity&#8217; is never used in the Bible the idea of one God existing in Three Persons&#8211;God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit&#8211;is the way that He has revealed Himself in the Bible.  Just a few references would be Matthew 28:19 where Jesus Himself instructs His disciples to baptize people &#8220;in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit&#8221;.  Another is 2Corinthians 13:14 where Paul closes his letter with &#8220;The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.&#8221;  Another is found in Hebrews 9:14 which talks about how Jesus&#8217; death pays the penalty of our sin, &#8220;how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?&#8221; I could go on but suffice it to say that God has clearly revealed Himself in the Bible as 1 God existing as 3 persons.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gontar</title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/paganism/comment-page-2/#comment-2395887</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gontar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Jamie,

Let me suggest that you take your wonderful persistence and intellectual
curiosity and invest it in the book I mentioned to you back in January, Hamlet Made Simple and Other Essays.  If you look closely you&#039;ll find a
an exposition of Shakespeare&#039;s paganism and the nature of Wyrd.  Trying to express those ideas in abbreviated form here would not accomplish very much.  True learning lies in the big books, Jamie, not in sound bites online.  If we are willing to enter into serious dialogue with literature, we discover things and change.  That&#039;s my counsel and my hope for you.   Sincerely,   Dave Gontar]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jamie,</p>
<p>Let me suggest that you take your wonderful persistence and intellectual<br />
curiosity and invest it in the book I mentioned to you back in January, Hamlet Made Simple and Other Essays.  If you look closely you&#8217;ll find a<br />
an exposition of Shakespeare&#8217;s paganism and the nature of Wyrd.  Trying to express those ideas in abbreviated form here would not accomplish very much.  True learning lies in the big books, Jamie, not in sound bites online.  If we are willing to enter into serious dialogue with literature, we discover things and change.  That&#8217;s my counsel and my hope for you.   Sincerely,   Dave Gontar</p>
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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
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		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi David, I guess I was hoping to hear your perception of those concepts because not everyone understands them in the same way.  Also I am very curious to know how those help give you meaning and insight into life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, I guess I was hoping to hear your perception of those concepts because not everyone understands them in the same way.  Also I am very curious to know how those help give you meaning and insight into life.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gontar</title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/paganism/comment-page-2/#comment-2392571</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gontar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jamie,  Maybe the best idea would be for you to look those
things up and study them.  It&#039;s not difficult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,  Maybe the best idea would be for you to look those<br />
things up and study them.  It&#8217;s not difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: LeylandCypress</title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/paganism/comment-page-2/#comment-2392517</link>
		<dc:creator>LeylandCypress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been a practicing pagan for 5 years. How can you do a study of paganism in general and Wicca in particular, and not have heard of the Wiccan Rede?

And harme ye none, do as ye will? We are clearly told not to align with evil forces. 

As for Christianity, it teaches that anything not of it&#039;s faith is evil. In that case, why the adoption of pagan holidays? Why the teaching of things not in the Bible, such as Hell, and trinity? They just aren&#039;t in there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a practicing pagan for 5 years. How can you do a study of paganism in general and Wicca in particular, and not have heard of the Wiccan Rede?</p>
<p>And harme ye none, do as ye will? We are clearly told not to align with evil forces. </p>
<p>As for Christianity, it teaches that anything not of it&#8217;s faith is evil. In that case, why the adoption of pagan holidays? Why the teaching of things not in the Bible, such as Hell, and trinity? They just aren&#8217;t in there.</p>
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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/paganism/comment-page-2/#comment-2252801</link>
		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Dave, you will have to help me understand those concepts better.  What is Tao, Physis and Wyrd?  How do they help you find meaning and insight?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Dave, you will have to help me understand those concepts better.  What is Tao, Physis and Wyrd?  How do they help you find meaning and insight?</p>
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		<title>By: David Gontar</title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/paganism/comment-page-2/#comment-2242355</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gontar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Jamie,  it seems to me that the ancient peoples
around the world had a better relationship to the encompassing
dimension than do we.  The Chinese meta-concept of
Tao, the Greek notion of Physis and the north European term
Wyrd all strike me as pointing in that direction.  It isn&#039;t so
much the term &quot;paganism&quot; which is helpful for me as those
positive word signals that orient the mind.  We must acknowledge
that the gods have fled in some sense from ourselves and 
our speech and actions must be mindful of that.  Unthinking
veneration of disassembled pantheons may not be the best strategy,
but of course each individual must approach modernity as he or she
thinks best.  For myself, I prefer a sincere dedication to exploring
and recovering physis, Tao and Wyrd as paths to meaning and insight.
Shakespeare is one doorway into that area of spiritual recovery.  It
isn&#039;t for everybody, but it&#039;s convenient on account of our affinity 
for English.  By contrast, to study and adopt as a spiritual master, e.g.,
a Sri Ramakrishna or seek to embrace as a westerner Zen or the Vipassana in
Buddhism may work, but those traditions are often foreign to our own backgrounds.  Through Shakespeare we tap into the hidden power and genius
of the English language, which is an essential aspect of who we are. 
Does that help?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jamie,  it seems to me that the ancient peoples<br />
around the world had a better relationship to the encompassing<br />
dimension than do we.  The Chinese meta-concept of<br />
Tao, the Greek notion of Physis and the north European term<br />
Wyrd all strike me as pointing in that direction.  It isn&#8217;t so<br />
much the term &#8220;paganism&#8221; which is helpful for me as those<br />
positive word signals that orient the mind.  We must acknowledge<br />
that the gods have fled in some sense from ourselves and<br />
our speech and actions must be mindful of that.  Unthinking<br />
veneration of disassembled pantheons may not be the best strategy,<br />
but of course each individual must approach modernity as he or she<br />
thinks best.  For myself, I prefer a sincere dedication to exploring<br />
and recovering physis, Tao and Wyrd as paths to meaning and insight.<br />
Shakespeare is one doorway into that area of spiritual recovery.  It<br />
isn&#8217;t for everybody, but it&#8217;s convenient on account of our affinity<br />
for English.  By contrast, to study and adopt as a spiritual master, e.g.,<br />
a Sri Ramakrishna or seek to embrace as a westerner Zen or the Vipassana in<br />
Buddhism may work, but those traditions are often foreign to our own backgrounds.  Through Shakespeare we tap into the hidden power and genius<br />
of the English language, which is an essential aspect of who we are.<br />
Does that help?</p>
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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
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		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Dave, what is it about the Pagan worldview that strikes you as a true reflection of the world we live in?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Dave, what is it about the Pagan worldview that strikes you as a true reflection of the world we live in?</p>
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		<title>By: david gontar</title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/paganism/comment-page-2/#comment-2242123</link>
		<dc:creator>david gontar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Jamie:

Thanks for your question about Shakespeare.  There are,
of course, many aspects of his writing which play a part
in his popularity.  First is his poetry and incomparable
use of language.  No has has ever assembled elements of
English which have such power to affect and move us.  Second
is his unrivalled insight into the human soul.   His
psychological vision and understanding have made him vastly
influential not just in literature but in psychology as well.
Sigmund Freud, for example, wrote under the sway of Shakespeare&#039;s
insights.  Third is his compassion and moral strength making
him a first class source of happiness and moral improvement. 
Finally we find his religious depth which, from the point of view
of paganism, reflects his fascination with the gods and the ancient
concept of Wyrd (as evidenced by the &quot;weird sisters&quot; in Macbeth and
his constant use of synchronicity.   All of these wonderful dimensions
of Shakespeare&#039;s art have always placed him at the top of the
leader board when it comes to transformative capacity and reader
satisfaction.  Hope this helps. In my latest book, HAMLET MADE SIMPLE AND OTHER ESSAYS I attempt to address and explain all this.  I have studied
Shakespeare each day for over 20 years.


Best wishes,


Dave Gontar]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jamie:</p>
<p>Thanks for your question about Shakespeare.  There are,<br />
of course, many aspects of his writing which play a part<br />
in his popularity.  First is his poetry and incomparable<br />
use of language.  No has has ever assembled elements of<br />
English which have such power to affect and move us.  Second<br />
is his unrivalled insight into the human soul.   His<br />
psychological vision and understanding have made him vastly<br />
influential not just in literature but in psychology as well.<br />
Sigmund Freud, for example, wrote under the sway of Shakespeare&#8217;s<br />
insights.  Third is his compassion and moral strength making<br />
him a first class source of happiness and moral improvement.<br />
Finally we find his religious depth which, from the point of view<br />
of paganism, reflects his fascination with the gods and the ancient<br />
concept of Wyrd (as evidenced by the &#8220;weird sisters&#8221; in Macbeth and<br />
his constant use of synchronicity.   All of these wonderful dimensions<br />
of Shakespeare&#8217;s art have always placed him at the top of the<br />
leader board when it comes to transformative capacity and reader<br />
satisfaction.  Hope this helps. In my latest book, HAMLET MADE SIMPLE AND OTHER ESSAYS I attempt to address and explain all this.  I have studied<br />
Shakespeare each day for over 20 years.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Dave Gontar</p>
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