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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/texttest/comment-page-1/#comment-1967211</link>
		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Red, what have you found in common with the different religious writings?  Has there been any surprises for you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Red, what have you found in common with the different religious writings?  Has there been any surprises for you?</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/texttest/comment-page-1/#comment-1954177</link>
		<dc:creator>red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi i&#039;m a hindu by religion
we respect all religions 
our holy book is the &#039;shrimad bhaghwad gita&#039;

i was searching for all the common teachings in all the holy books of all religions 
to lead a life worthwhile :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi i&#8217;m a hindu by religion<br />
we respect all religions<br />
our holy book is the &#8216;shrimad bhaghwad gita&#8217;</p>
<p>i was searching for all the common teachings in all the holy books of all religions<br />
to lead a life worthwhile :)</p>
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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
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		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be curious to hear from you Gryphon on what you have found unreliable about the Bible?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be curious to hear from you Gryphon on what you have found unreliable about the Bible?</p>
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		<title>By: Gryphon</title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/texttest/comment-page-1/#comment-1863048</link>
		<dc:creator>Gryphon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Further, I had proven to myself, on the basis of predicted history and science, that the Bible was more reliable than many of the laws of physics. My only rational option was to trust the Bible’s authority to the same degree as I trusted the laws of physics.&quot;

If this does not immediately fill you with a sense of abject horror as to the reasoning ability of the author, then you definitely have no place claiming understanding of science or physics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Further, I had proven to myself, on the basis of predicted history and science, that the Bible was more reliable than many of the laws of physics. My only rational option was to trust the Bible’s authority to the same degree as I trusted the laws of physics.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this does not immediately fill you with a sense of abject horror as to the reasoning ability of the author, then you definitely have no place claiming understanding of science or physics.</p>
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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/texttest/comment-page-1/#comment-1756099</link>
		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right Michellerose, that being able to read the Bible in the original languages can be very helpful.  However, I do not think a full understanding of God and His communication to us is inaccessible to those who do not read in Hebrew or Greek (there are a few sections in the Bible that were written in Aramaic as well).  The Bible itself indirectly commends the use of translations.  We see that most (if not all) of the quotes in the New Testament used the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible).  Jesus Himself quoted from the Septuagint.  You will notice that some of His quotes don&#039;t exactly line up with what we have in the Old Testament.  That is because He was quoting from the Septuagint which was slightly different due to the translation.  An example is Matthew 21:16.  Here Jesus is quoting from Psalm 8:2.  In the original Hebrew the statement is &quot;From the mouth of infants and nursing babes You have established strength&quot;, but the Septuagint translates this &quot;From the mouth of infants and nursing babes You have established praise.&quot;  That is what Jesus quotes when he defends the praise from the children in the Temple.

I also see the way that the authors of the New Testament produced their writings in Greek as a strong defence for those who read the Bible in a language they understand.  Greek was the marketplace language of the Roman Empire. It was easier for people to keep that language than trying to force everyone to learn Latin.  When the authors of the New Testament wrote their letters and Gospels they wanted the most amount of people to be able to access their writings as possible so rather than using Hebrew or Aramaic (the common language of the Jewish people) or Latin they decided to use the Koine (or common) Greek.  I am confident that if they were here today they would encourage the translation of the Bible into people&#039;s mother tongues so that they can grasp the wonderful truths that are contained there.

I think far more important for our understanding of the Bible is our relationship of dependence on the Holy Spirit.  Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit will teach us all things and bring to our remembrance all that Jesus has said to us (John 14:26) so our best resource for understanding what God is saying to us is His Holy Spirit.  Whenever we come to the Bible we need to pray and ask for His help to understand and apply what we read there.  I know of many people who are skilled in the original languages of the Bible but have totally missed the truth of relationship with God because they have not depended on the leading of the Holy Spirit.  Without Him and His help there are only words and no life.

I encourage you to keep on studying and always look to the Holy Spirit for His help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Michellerose, that being able to read the Bible in the original languages can be very helpful.  However, I do not think a full understanding of God and His communication to us is inaccessible to those who do not read in Hebrew or Greek (there are a few sections in the Bible that were written in Aramaic as well).  The Bible itself indirectly commends the use of translations.  We see that most (if not all) of the quotes in the New Testament used the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible).  Jesus Himself quoted from the Septuagint.  You will notice that some of His quotes don&#8217;t exactly line up with what we have in the Old Testament.  That is because He was quoting from the Septuagint which was slightly different due to the translation.  An example is Matthew 21:16.  Here Jesus is quoting from Psalm 8:2.  In the original Hebrew the statement is &#8220;From the mouth of infants and nursing babes You have established strength&#8221;, but the Septuagint translates this &#8220;From the mouth of infants and nursing babes You have established praise.&#8221;  That is what Jesus quotes when he defends the praise from the children in the Temple.</p>
<p>I also see the way that the authors of the New Testament produced their writings in Greek as a strong defence for those who read the Bible in a language they understand.  Greek was the marketplace language of the Roman Empire. It was easier for people to keep that language than trying to force everyone to learn Latin.  When the authors of the New Testament wrote their letters and Gospels they wanted the most amount of people to be able to access their writings as possible so rather than using Hebrew or Aramaic (the common language of the Jewish people) or Latin they decided to use the Koine (or common) Greek.  I am confident that if they were here today they would encourage the translation of the Bible into people&#8217;s mother tongues so that they can grasp the wonderful truths that are contained there.</p>
<p>I think far more important for our understanding of the Bible is our relationship of dependence on the Holy Spirit.  Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit will teach us all things and bring to our remembrance all that Jesus has said to us (John 14:26) so our best resource for understanding what God is saying to us is His Holy Spirit.  Whenever we come to the Bible we need to pray and ask for His help to understand and apply what we read there.  I know of many people who are skilled in the original languages of the Bible but have totally missed the truth of relationship with God because they have not depended on the leading of the Holy Spirit.  Without Him and His help there are only words and no life.</p>
<p>I encourage you to keep on studying and always look to the Holy Spirit for His help.</p>
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		<title>By: Michellerose</title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/texttest/comment-page-1/#comment-1726582</link>
		<dc:creator>Michellerose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How well do you know your Palio-Hebrew? (I don&#039;t know if I have spelled that right) If you want to know your bible you need to understand it in in its original context, culture, and language. I have been testing and studying it for a few years now and have found that the English Bible ( really any translation other then the Hebrew ) can not express the explicit details that the original text has.  I have yet to read a original myself but use Strong&#039;s extensively and am trying to learn more Hebrew every day.  I feel the Language used is as complex as Elohime himself. If you are a translate and know your history the word God IS actually another name for the worshipers of Gott, who is a pagan &#039;GOD&#039; and if you fallow the Torah (law) it says: to to worship, think, speak or write another El save for YHVH&#039;s is a sin and abomination. Unless used for educational purpass, as in to correct them. This is well documented in Proverbs, Psalms, Leviticus and Deuteronomy. I could go on and on.   My argument is that unless you understand the language and can read it from the original, you cannot have a &quot;proper&quot;  debate about this subject even the science of it . 
Argument and back up
	Have you ever taken the time to read the preface or end pages of your Bible?  The non scriptural part, sometimes its on every page &quot;explaining the scriptures&quot; and how you should, and they do interpret them. They tell you most times the doctrine of those who wrote that translation and that Bible will reflect their view/ argument&quot; No Bible accurate save for the original. And finding someone who can can speak/read Palio-Hebrew is like finding  a church that dose not impose its human doctrine on its latest recruit or the Bible itself. You want to know something funny, most prefaces of Bibles tell you for the sake of &quot;modern language&quot; they use the word Lord instead of YHVH. In numbers it commands the believer to say HIS name and it will be a blessing over them and over all Israel, to not profess Him as the El over all is a sin. So they confess this in the preface then print it over and over and over again sining each time, and they say that their translation is inspired by El? Really!? Another fun fact you can find in about 90% of all Bibles is,  that is if you believe in the trilogy- ( not imposing this doctrine but just using it as a example) -look in the Tehnoch (old testament) and the new testament Yeshouea ( Greek Jesus) Side note---- by the way Greek Jesus has a total different way of thinking to the Hebrew Yeshouea, Check out the Hebrew version of Mathew.  The Hebrew version lines better with Torah then Greek translations.------ and YHVH Elohime using the word lord, they spell it different! YHVH is spelled LORD and Yeshouea is Lord. If you believe this doctrine that Yeshouea is El then why denote Yeshouea as the lesser? ---Personal note I used to believe in the trinity blindly and am currently testing this theory and the impaction of it. If you have hard facts on the basis of original scripture and not personal vendetta then let me know what you come up with.
	 Back to the translation issue and other resoreses
	Have you ever read the book of the Upright? Sometimes called the book of Jasher, its mentioned in the bible fore times. I know there is a bit of mistrust because its not literally in the Bible and some scholars discredit it on the basis that the only copy was or may have been recopied in the early 1600. However I feel that if the bible mentions something that many times I should check it out. Even if its for more educational purpass. I mention this because it has a lot of information about the  tower of Babel and where afterwords ( if you take it to be true)  everyone was dispersed to.This book also mentions how Abraham was sheltered in Noah and Shem&#039;s house, so that the king would not kill him as a baby.  Sound familiar? It gets more weird... there  was a profacy and a star in the sky brighter then any other and wise men went to see him. It also goes in to more detail about the almost sacrifice of Iscach, and gives more insight in to who Yeshuoea really was.  It is even graphic about why and what Happened at Sodom and Gomorrah. And lets not forget the current debate creation, I do not discount nor claim that the book of Jasher is holy but as a means to understand the time and maybe get better insight as to what may have happened.  I cant remember the verse nor can I seem to find the book of the Bible its in but there a part where El is Judging all and says something to the effect of : there is not enough room in this book to hold all of Elohimes truths. That he would hide some of the keys/information and I know for a fact  in Amos it says that El would put a famine on the land not of food or water but of His word. So with this in mind is the Book of the Upright one of the hidden keys? I don&#039;t know but I am willing to test it against what El has said. ---- personal note----- its adding up good so far. I have not read the whole thing yet. Nor have I bisected it in the Hebrew. I feel that it would be cool if it was and I had one of those many hidden keys :)  I&#039;d kinda feel like I found a gold nugget the size of a fist after panning through the crummy muck and fake gold all my life then after finding the nugget going to town swqare telling everyone while I dance the conga. (note I&#039;d have to learn how to dance the conga, I&#039;ll put it on the long list that starts with the words: maybe one day...) 
Another thing to look at in this fashion is the Oral Torah practiced by some Jews. This was &quot;supposed to be&quot; the oral laws that where not written down tought by Moses and then passed down to all the Levite priests generation to generation to  teach the Jewish people. If you want to get to know Yeshouea and why he was so angry with the  Jewish priests. Know the oral and written Torah better then the new ---testament will give you a deeper understanding of Yeshuoea&#039;s teachings.-----Personal note I believe if you don&#039;t know your torah then you don&#039;t know Yeshouea, why he came and really in my view all the new testament is, is a backup deference that Torah is Holy and with out Torah there is no new testament. I personally believe if Torah is the sword then the new testament is the shield. PS oral torah was finally written down some time in the early 1950&#039;s. So visit a Jewish group or read their customs, they are really ours now as Christan not shun our brothers but rather let them come to Christ by testing, and your moral Silent influence, unless YHVH tells you different.
Something to think about
	Have you ever looked at the origins of language? Think about the Shakespearean language and modern day English. They are completely different. Same goes for Palio and modern day Hebrew. Try this one summer I dare you Go to England or Spain then to the US and Mexico. You will find they sound different, they use different words for different things and yet English is English as Spanish is Spanish. Right? Or is this wrong too? English are actually from Germanic and  French decent. They lived on that island, and where concord so many times it made their own language . Even the way they spell things is different. Take the word color and colour. The first is US and the latter is British and Australian way to spell the same word

May YHVH&#039;S Blessings be with you and on all the work of your hands. It is the Insight of YHVH Elohime to hide a matter and the Glory of Kings/the studious to seek the matter out. Proverbs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How well do you know your Palio-Hebrew? (I don&#8217;t know if I have spelled that right) If you want to know your bible you need to understand it in in its original context, culture, and language. I have been testing and studying it for a few years now and have found that the English Bible ( really any translation other then the Hebrew ) can not express the explicit details that the original text has.  I have yet to read a original myself but use Strong&#8217;s extensively and am trying to learn more Hebrew every day.  I feel the Language used is as complex as Elohime himself. If you are a translate and know your history the word God IS actually another name for the worshipers of Gott, who is a pagan &#8216;GOD&#8217; and if you fallow the Torah (law) it says: to to worship, think, speak or write another El save for YHVH&#8217;s is a sin and abomination. Unless used for educational purpass, as in to correct them. This is well documented in Proverbs, Psalms, Leviticus and Deuteronomy. I could go on and on.   My argument is that unless you understand the language and can read it from the original, you cannot have a &#8220;proper&#8221;  debate about this subject even the science of it .<br />
Argument and back up<br />
	Have you ever taken the time to read the preface or end pages of your Bible?  The non scriptural part, sometimes its on every page &#8220;explaining the scriptures&#8221; and how you should, and they do interpret them. They tell you most times the doctrine of those who wrote that translation and that Bible will reflect their view/ argument&#8221; No Bible accurate save for the original. And finding someone who can can speak/read Palio-Hebrew is like finding  a church that dose not impose its human doctrine on its latest recruit or the Bible itself. You want to know something funny, most prefaces of Bibles tell you for the sake of &#8220;modern language&#8221; they use the word Lord instead of YHVH. In numbers it commands the believer to say HIS name and it will be a blessing over them and over all Israel, to not profess Him as the El over all is a sin. So they confess this in the preface then print it over and over and over again sining each time, and they say that their translation is inspired by El? Really!? Another fun fact you can find in about 90% of all Bibles is,  that is if you believe in the trilogy- ( not imposing this doctrine but just using it as a example) -look in the Tehnoch (old testament) and the new testament Yeshouea ( Greek Jesus) Side note&#8212;- by the way Greek Jesus has a total different way of thinking to the Hebrew Yeshouea, Check out the Hebrew version of Mathew.  The Hebrew version lines better with Torah then Greek translations.&#8212;&#8212; and YHVH Elohime using the word lord, they spell it different! YHVH is spelled LORD and Yeshouea is Lord. If you believe this doctrine that Yeshouea is El then why denote Yeshouea as the lesser? &#8212;Personal note I used to believe in the trinity blindly and am currently testing this theory and the impaction of it. If you have hard facts on the basis of original scripture and not personal vendetta then let me know what you come up with.<br />
	 Back to the translation issue and other resoreses<br />
	Have you ever read the book of the Upright? Sometimes called the book of Jasher, its mentioned in the bible fore times. I know there is a bit of mistrust because its not literally in the Bible and some scholars discredit it on the basis that the only copy was or may have been recopied in the early 1600. However I feel that if the bible mentions something that many times I should check it out. Even if its for more educational purpass. I mention this because it has a lot of information about the  tower of Babel and where afterwords ( if you take it to be true)  everyone was dispersed to.This book also mentions how Abraham was sheltered in Noah and Shem&#8217;s house, so that the king would not kill him as a baby.  Sound familiar? It gets more weird&#8230; there  was a profacy and a star in the sky brighter then any other and wise men went to see him. It also goes in to more detail about the almost sacrifice of Iscach, and gives more insight in to who Yeshuoea really was.  It is even graphic about why and what Happened at Sodom and Gomorrah. And lets not forget the current debate creation, I do not discount nor claim that the book of Jasher is holy but as a means to understand the time and maybe get better insight as to what may have happened.  I cant remember the verse nor can I seem to find the book of the Bible its in but there a part where El is Judging all and says something to the effect of : there is not enough room in this book to hold all of Elohimes truths. That he would hide some of the keys/information and I know for a fact  in Amos it says that El would put a famine on the land not of food or water but of His word. So with this in mind is the Book of the Upright one of the hidden keys? I don&#8217;t know but I am willing to test it against what El has said. &#8212;- personal note&#8212;&#8211; its adding up good so far. I have not read the whole thing yet. Nor have I bisected it in the Hebrew. I feel that it would be cool if it was and I had one of those many hidden keys :)  I&#8217;d kinda feel like I found a gold nugget the size of a fist after panning through the crummy muck and fake gold all my life then after finding the nugget going to town swqare telling everyone while I dance the conga. (note I&#8217;d have to learn how to dance the conga, I&#8217;ll put it on the long list that starts with the words: maybe one day&#8230;)<br />
Another thing to look at in this fashion is the Oral Torah practiced by some Jews. This was &#8220;supposed to be&#8221; the oral laws that where not written down tought by Moses and then passed down to all the Levite priests generation to generation to  teach the Jewish people. If you want to get to know Yeshouea and why he was so angry with the  Jewish priests. Know the oral and written Torah better then the new &#8212;testament will give you a deeper understanding of Yeshuoea&#8217;s teachings.&#8212;&#8211;Personal note I believe if you don&#8217;t know your torah then you don&#8217;t know Yeshouea, why he came and really in my view all the new testament is, is a backup deference that Torah is Holy and with out Torah there is no new testament. I personally believe if Torah is the sword then the new testament is the shield. PS oral torah was finally written down some time in the early 1950&#8242;s. So visit a Jewish group or read their customs, they are really ours now as Christan not shun our brothers but rather let them come to Christ by testing, and your moral Silent influence, unless YHVH tells you different.<br />
Something to think about<br />
	Have you ever looked at the origins of language? Think about the Shakespearean language and modern day English. They are completely different. Same goes for Palio and modern day Hebrew. Try this one summer I dare you Go to England or Spain then to the US and Mexico. You will find they sound different, they use different words for different things and yet English is English as Spanish is Spanish. Right? Or is this wrong too? English are actually from Germanic and  French decent. They lived on that island, and where concord so many times it made their own language . Even the way they spell things is different. Take the word color and colour. The first is US and the latter is British and Australian way to spell the same word</p>
<p>May YHVH&#8217;S Blessings be with you and on all the work of your hands. It is the Insight of YHVH Elohime to hide a matter and the Glory of Kings/the studious to seek the matter out. Proverbs</p>
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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
		<link>http://powertochange.com/students/texttest/comment-page-1/#comment-1315702</link>
		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 14:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are selling yourself short Xephon; you are a philosopher!  You think beyond just the things you can see and observe and look to understand &quot;Why?&quot;  I admire your willingness to engage in the discussion on these issues because they are crucial.  A life lived thoughtlessly and by accident is empty, but living with your eyes wide open reveals meaning to our existence.

You say you have no evil in your heart because you have rejected it.  I am not exactly sure what you are saying.  Have you rejected the thoughts of evil in your heart so that they no longer tempt you or have you rejected that those thoughts are evil and embrace them as part of who you are and therefore they are moral?  

You say we have different definitions of what good and evil are.  Would you say that telling a lie was evil, or cheating on your taxes, or taking advantage of someone who is weaker than you, or hatred of another human?  What about cheating on your partner?  What about losing your temper with your children?  How about taking something that does not belong to you?  How do you determine what is moral for you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are selling yourself short Xephon; you are a philosopher!  You think beyond just the things you can see and observe and look to understand &#8220;Why?&#8221;  I admire your willingness to engage in the discussion on these issues because they are crucial.  A life lived thoughtlessly and by accident is empty, but living with your eyes wide open reveals meaning to our existence.</p>
<p>You say you have no evil in your heart because you have rejected it.  I am not exactly sure what you are saying.  Have you rejected the thoughts of evil in your heart so that they no longer tempt you or have you rejected that those thoughts are evil and embrace them as part of who you are and therefore they are moral?  </p>
<p>You say we have different definitions of what good and evil are.  Would you say that telling a lie was evil, or cheating on your taxes, or taking advantage of someone who is weaker than you, or hatred of another human?  What about cheating on your partner?  What about losing your temper with your children?  How about taking something that does not belong to you?  How do you determine what is moral for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Xephon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xephon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 13:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jamie,

I did not &quot;neglect&quot; to answer you. Your answer was hypothetical, so I treated it as such. I am a scientist, not a philosopher, so I don&#039;t deal in hypotheticals unless they can be tested. Yours could not. I acknowledge the existence of good and evil, but I doubt my definition of them would match yours. For example, I think it is wrong, if not outright evil, to raise children with a belief system that requires them to deny that which is demonstrably true. Every religion on earth does this to some degree, including yours. Your response to Epicurus&#039; conundrum is one that I have heard a hundred times before: that evil is a creation of man (or Satan) and that God allows it because he has given us &quot;free will&quot; and to eliminate evil would be to eliminate free will. That&#039;s baloney. Heroic people fight evil not to punish evil people (although that is part of the equation), but to protect the innocent, something that is not addressed in your apologetics. If I had the ability to cure cancer with no more than a thought, then no one within the range of my perception would ever suffer or die from cancer. I would do this of my own free will, not out of any obligation. I would do this without any expectation of reward. I would not require the people whom I cure to obey or worship me. I would not establish any criteria for who gets cured and who doesn&#039;t. That makes me morally superior to your god on every conceivable level because, according to your dogma, he CAN do that, but chooses not to. There is no evil in &quot;my heart&quot;, because I have rejected it as surely as I have rejected belief in gods. This may comes as a surprise to you, but many people in this world require neither the promise of eternal reward nor the threat of eternal punishment to live moral lives. Some of us believe that doing the right thing is its own justification. It&#039;s too bad you have been led to believe that your awareness of the magical invisible man in the sky is the only thing that&#039;s keeping you from becoming a serial killer, but not everyone is so afflicted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,</p>
<p>I did not &#8220;neglect&#8221; to answer you. Your answer was hypothetical, so I treated it as such. I am a scientist, not a philosopher, so I don&#8217;t deal in hypotheticals unless they can be tested. Yours could not. I acknowledge the existence of good and evil, but I doubt my definition of them would match yours. For example, I think it is wrong, if not outright evil, to raise children with a belief system that requires them to deny that which is demonstrably true. Every religion on earth does this to some degree, including yours. Your response to Epicurus&#8217; conundrum is one that I have heard a hundred times before: that evil is a creation of man (or Satan) and that God allows it because he has given us &#8220;free will&#8221; and to eliminate evil would be to eliminate free will. That&#8217;s baloney. Heroic people fight evil not to punish evil people (although that is part of the equation), but to protect the innocent, something that is not addressed in your apologetics. If I had the ability to cure cancer with no more than a thought, then no one within the range of my perception would ever suffer or die from cancer. I would do this of my own free will, not out of any obligation. I would do this without any expectation of reward. I would not require the people whom I cure to obey or worship me. I would not establish any criteria for who gets cured and who doesn&#8217;t. That makes me morally superior to your god on every conceivable level because, according to your dogma, he CAN do that, but chooses not to. There is no evil in &#8220;my heart&#8221;, because I have rejected it as surely as I have rejected belief in gods. This may comes as a surprise to you, but many people in this world require neither the promise of eternal reward nor the threat of eternal punishment to live moral lives. Some of us believe that doing the right thing is its own justification. It&#8217;s too bad you have been led to believe that your awareness of the magical invisible man in the sky is the only thing that&#8217;s keeping you from becoming a serial killer, but not everyone is so afflicted.</p>
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		<title>By: <span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </title>
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		<dc:creator><span class='mentorBadge' title='Jamie is an official Power to Change mentor.' >Jamie</span> </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 17:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Xephon, it is nice to see you back on this discussion page.  I wonder if you have given any more thought to an explanation of evil in our world.  Earlier you had wisely included Epicurus&#039; question about evil and God into our discussion here:
“If God is willing to battle evil, but unable, then He is not omnipotent.
 If He is able, but not willing, then He is malevolent.
 If He is both willing and able, then why is there evil?
 If He is neither willing nor able, then why call him God?&quot;

I think I responded to that but you have neglected to answer my question.  I am curious to know how your worldview helps you to understand the presence of evil in the world.  When you say that there is evil you must assume that the opposite--good--must also exist.  If you assert that there is such a thing as good then you have to assume that there is a moral code by which you can distinguish between the two.  That moral code does not come from the evolution of matter and chemistry, thus there must be one who has established that moral code.  I don&#039;t know how else you could explain the existence of evil.  Perhaps you could explain for us how that works in your worldview.  Your raising of Epicurus’ argument obviously shows that you have concern with evil in the world so it would be great to hear how you have made sense of its existence.

The second part of my question is much more personal.  I explained how the existence of God and His efforts to save me from the evil in my own heart helps me deal with the dark things inside of me.  My question to you is: how do you deal with the parts of your personality that you try to keep hidden?  How does your worldview help you handle the evil that is in your heart?

I guess I would have a similar question for Habib: how do the teachings of Islam help you to deal with the evil in your heart?  I am in the same boat as Xephon in that I have never been a Muslim and so I have not had much personal experience or study in the Quran. How does Islam help people to deal with the evil (minor and major) in their own lives?  Jesus said that because of our natural inclination to rebellion against God we are unable to deal with that evil ourselves.  It would be like trying to wash clean a white wall with a muddy rag--it doesn&#039;t matter how much you scrub, the dirt just continues to spread.  God&#039;s plan from the very beginning was to deal with the problem of evil in the hearts of humanity through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  The sacrifices that Abraham made were a symbol of what Jesus would do.  The ritual worship that God instituted during the time of Moses was a further development of the symbols that pointed people to the hope of the Messiah, Jesus.  Jesus died on the cross to take on Himself the penalty for our sin and deal once and for all with the evil in our hearts.  As Paul wrote in his second letter to the Corinthians, &quot;God made him [Jesus] who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.&quot; (2Corinthians 5:21)  Jesus is our only hope for dealing with the evil in our hearts.  He not only took the punishment that should have been ours but He also rose back to life to live within us and guide us towards good and away from evil.  This was something that could only be done by God; His perfection is the only way that our wall can be cleaned.

I think this distinguishes Christianity from all other worldviews including Islam--only Christianity declares that our hope for salvation from the evil within us is God acting on our behalf.  We cannot earn that by following any ritual, making any pilgrimage, attaining any higher level of enlightenment, being martyred, or even living as good as possible.  All of those things depend on us reaching out to God; only Christianity depends on God reaching down to humanity and saving us from our evil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Xephon, it is nice to see you back on this discussion page.  I wonder if you have given any more thought to an explanation of evil in our world.  Earlier you had wisely included Epicurus&#8217; question about evil and God into our discussion here:<br />
“If God is willing to battle evil, but unable, then He is not omnipotent.<br />
 If He is able, but not willing, then He is malevolent.<br />
 If He is both willing and able, then why is there evil?<br />
 If He is neither willing nor able, then why call him God?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think I responded to that but you have neglected to answer my question.  I am curious to know how your worldview helps you to understand the presence of evil in the world.  When you say that there is evil you must assume that the opposite&#8211;good&#8211;must also exist.  If you assert that there is such a thing as good then you have to assume that there is a moral code by which you can distinguish between the two.  That moral code does not come from the evolution of matter and chemistry, thus there must be one who has established that moral code.  I don&#8217;t know how else you could explain the existence of evil.  Perhaps you could explain for us how that works in your worldview.  Your raising of Epicurus’ argument obviously shows that you have concern with evil in the world so it would be great to hear how you have made sense of its existence.</p>
<p>The second part of my question is much more personal.  I explained how the existence of God and His efforts to save me from the evil in my own heart helps me deal with the dark things inside of me.  My question to you is: how do you deal with the parts of your personality that you try to keep hidden?  How does your worldview help you handle the evil that is in your heart?</p>
<p>I guess I would have a similar question for Habib: how do the teachings of Islam help you to deal with the evil in your heart?  I am in the same boat as Xephon in that I have never been a Muslim and so I have not had much personal experience or study in the Quran. How does Islam help people to deal with the evil (minor and major) in their own lives?  Jesus said that because of our natural inclination to rebellion against God we are unable to deal with that evil ourselves.  It would be like trying to wash clean a white wall with a muddy rag&#8211;it doesn&#8217;t matter how much you scrub, the dirt just continues to spread.  God&#8217;s plan from the very beginning was to deal with the problem of evil in the hearts of humanity through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  The sacrifices that Abraham made were a symbol of what Jesus would do.  The ritual worship that God instituted during the time of Moses was a further development of the symbols that pointed people to the hope of the Messiah, Jesus.  Jesus died on the cross to take on Himself the penalty for our sin and deal once and for all with the evil in our hearts.  As Paul wrote in his second letter to the Corinthians, &#8220;God made him [Jesus] who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.&#8221; (2Corinthians 5:21)  Jesus is our only hope for dealing with the evil in our hearts.  He not only took the punishment that should have been ours but He also rose back to life to live within us and guide us towards good and away from evil.  This was something that could only be done by God; His perfection is the only way that our wall can be cleaned.</p>
<p>I think this distinguishes Christianity from all other worldviews including Islam&#8211;only Christianity declares that our hope for salvation from the evil within us is God acting on our behalf.  We cannot earn that by following any ritual, making any pilgrimage, attaining any higher level of enlightenment, being martyred, or even living as good as possible.  All of those things depend on us reaching out to God; only Christianity depends on God reaching down to humanity and saving us from our evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Xephon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xephon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 01:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what you mean by &quot;embrology&quot;. If you mean embryology, then the Quran was late to the party. The Greeks knew about developing embryos 2000 years ago. And if the Quran&#039;s reference to embryology is anything like its reference to the Big Bang - including the earth NINE BILLION YEARS before it was formed - I wouldn&#039;t expect anything groundbreaking, or even marginally correct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what you mean by &#8220;embrology&#8221;. If you mean embryology, then the Quran was late to the party. The Greeks knew about developing embryos 2000 years ago. And if the Quran&#8217;s reference to embryology is anything like its reference to the Big Bang &#8211; including the earth NINE BILLION YEARS before it was formed &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t expect anything groundbreaking, or even marginally correct.</p>
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